How the sniper rifles should be balanced...


(Dysfnal) #21

@FrostyVampire the two guns are not on equal ground right now, the Felix is in a horrible place where if buffed, would become too close to the MOA, or too powerful. I’m also trying to conserve the snitch advantage as well.

I consistently end up about 3rd on my team playing sniper, if I aim for headshots, I plummet. Everyone’s aim can only get so good, and my improvement has started to slow, big-time


(frostyvampire) #22

@Dysfnal
FEL-IX should be a stronger MOA. It fires slower, has louder shots and overall by looking at the models you can clearly tell “FEL-IX is a strong MOA” (or maybe it’s just me idk). Also by the model and sound I always feel like the FEL-IX should have the ability to 1 shot Thunder in the head. Maybe I’m just weird but this is how it feels.
But still, there’s no reason to nerf MOA

When I play sniper in pub, I topscore most of my games. And why is that? Because I can headshot and kill.
You said before that you can rarely hit the enemy again after you bodyshot them, well you SHOULDN’T be able to, you should kill them with your first shot.
Just practice more then, this isn’t AWP, it can’t kill without headshots. Try to get MO11 or MO22 Vassili and put him in your squad, try to play only Vassili for a few games


(Dysfnal) #23

@FrostyVampire I play Aimee more than any other merc BTW, and always with a Felix. I have used snipers plenty, granting myself a satisfying 52.9% accuracy with the Felix. I always aim at neck level, if I aim for heads I’m more of a burden to my team, because I miss more often, usually when I hit a body shot my teammates finish the target off, or I do with my secondary, if I miss a headshot, I’m screwed, which happens fairly often. If I hit a body shot I’m almost guaranteed an assist or kill (at close range).

If hitting headshots is what you do I don’t know why you’d complain about my proposition, it wouldn’t affect you hardly at all


(frostyvampire) #24

@Dysfnal
50% accuracy is actually not bad, but you need to practice to have at least 50% headshot percentage. Bodyshots are better than missing but you gotta practice in headshots so you can play sniper in ranked in the future and own noobs. If you only bodyshot and rely on teammates to finish the enemy, you can’t play sniper in ranked. You should only bodyshot Aura and Sparks that you know have taken some damage and debuffed mercs with 100hp or less.
Just try to practice in headshots, it will take time but you will see it’s worth it and you will get a lot of kills. You will feel way more proud of yourself and useful if you get the Godlike badge rather than 15 assists badge. And also nothing is more fun than being called a hacker

It won’t affect me much but it’s still a nerf. There’s no need to nerf MOA or FEL-IX. The only sniper that needs a nerf is PDP.


(Dysfnal) #25

@FrostyVampire I still think the bo snipers should be adjusted, ATM I think they’re too similar and the Felix is still inferior, perhaps buff the MOA RPM and reduce the damage to 70, or on the extreme side, make the Felix semi auto (like it’s real world counterpart) yet have a slower fire rate than the PDP and arduous recoil

60 damage seems optimal here, enough to one shot 120 hp mercs, but keep the recoil high, and RPM low, only an idea though, and I don’t like that this would hurt the snitch combo


(Herr_Hanz) #26

@Dysfnal Just practice practice practice. go into an 8v8 noobfest. that is an excellent place to train. dont go for save, headshots are worth it, playing save and going for bodyshots is the wrong mindset.


(Dysfnal) #27

@Herr_Hanz should I try with the PDP? It seems like a good practice weapon as you can get more shots off while getting less kills, not to mention I have a ton of PDP Aimee cards (just in case you haven’t heard my rant about never getting Felix cards a few times by now)


(Dysfnal) #28

I mostly want to save my accuracy stats on the other snipers, I should get over that


(frostyvampire) #29

@Dysfnal
Buffing MOA fire rate will make it even more OP. It’s already the best weapon in the game without it.
Changing the FEL-IX to an auto sniper will be complete trash. PDP is enough cancer and making Aimee unable to use bolt action will make her 50% less effective and nobody will play her. If you want to be an auto noob then Redeye is the best option because he has a smoke grenade which can be used for ninja stuff and really assist the team. And also he can hide in it and be a really tough target. No matter what you do, DO NOT kill the FEL-IX. Auto snipers suck and I don’t want to go to the garbage and find the 2nd best weapon in the game there because it becomes worse than Cauldren.

I know they need to be adjusted but there’s no need to nerf any of them. Increasing headshot damage at the cost of bodyshot damage is the best buff. It will reduce the effectiveness of bad snipers (but they will still be able to 2 shot most mercs and 1 shot debuffed Aura/Sparks with FEL-IX) and the increased headshot damage will be awesome. Insta gib Aura and Sparks and FEL-IX will have the ability to 1 shot Thunder which is alone a great thing

Or if you really want bodyshots to stay then MOA bodyshots can do 65 damage (160 headshots) and FEL-IX 70 damage (headshot 170) so it can 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder which MOA won’t be able to do.

Try it. Go on a pub (Chapel defense recommended) and set a challenge where you must only headshot, if you kill somebody without headshotting them once (head and then body is fine) you must press k and suicide as punishment. Do it until you are confident enough you can headshot with a real sniper, then you can throw the crappy PDP back to the garbage and never use it agai


(Herr_Hanz) #30

@Dysfnal dont use the PDP, the thing with headshots is that its high risk high reward. the PDP only does 90 headshot damage, so it turns into high risk low reward. not to mention it will throw your timing off with bodyshotting when you go the FEL-IX again.

Maps i recommend are Trainyard, Bridge, and Chapel, the rest of the maps are also maps where you can be a good sniper, but you need to be more experienced to be really effective. Bridge phase 3 is also in that area, but stages 1 and 2 arent.

Defense or Offense doesnt matter, but they differ in what you can train. Defense is good to train holding angles, finding new angles, and headshotting people that are running around/running out of their spawn. examples are shooting people crossing the street to the red van in bridge 1st OBJ when you are on the attacking side, and shooting people crossing the canal from the attacker spawn on trainyard defense. In offense you can train how to break into enemy area’s, and learn how to pre-aim them. i just uploaded a sniper montage (coincidentally for you it only has felix aimee clips). ill tag you in the thread ill make to give you an example.


(LifeupOmega) #31

You know what’d be nice. Change FEL bodyshot damage to 50, but give it a 4x headshot multiplier. Let me roleplay an African Poacher hunting an endangered mammal.


(hoyes) #32

I think they could increase the fel-ix damage to 85 which would enable it to one shot thunder, but then reduce mag size to 5.With the moa, then they could decrease body shot damage to 70(wouldn’t change much since fragger hp nerf), and then increase the mag size to 7. The moa would bethe lower damage faster fire rate, high accuracy, larger mag sniper and the fel-ix would be the high damage, low fire rate, low mag, low accuracy sniper. They would both have more different roles, one having more damage, but a bit more risk, as it would be more difficult for a follow up shot(better for people with good aim), and the moa would be easier to use but less of a reward( but it will have more consistency due to the mag and fire rate). There we have it.


(Herr_Hanz) #33

that is not going to happen, as SD would probaly not do that because oneshotting 80hp mercs is not allowed iwht bodyshots.

being able to kill thunder doesnt fix it. people would leave the felix even more as being able to kill thunder is too situational.


(hoyes) #34

@Herr_Hanz i just want more ways to kill thunder. Yes he needed the hp buff, but I only wanted it to affect the amount of bullets to kill, not any abilities. And seeming as vassili and aimee are the.snipers of this game, i wanted to give them the ability to kill him. Whenever I play thunder i just feel too tanky for how he works. Fragger was supposed to be the king of 1v1s. Now it is Thunder.

…sorry for the rant.I understand why people wouldn’t want people one shotting 80hp mercs, but let us think about both of them. Aura, becomes a tank on the health station as only heashots can kill her, but her speed makes her extremely difficult to fight. Sure explosives can kill her but if that aura is good enough she can dodge these and win the firefight due to either shotguns or blishlock heashots. Sparks is supposed to be a sniper like character that is able to constantly heal herself.If they were to buff her to give her a bit more range on the revivr ,snipers would be her effective counter at range.Both of these mercs are hard to kill when played correctly so a one shot felix body shot( as long as it is accompanied with the right nerfs)would be great.


(hoyes) #35

I just had the best idea, just make it so instead of a one shot bodyshot against 80hp.mercs give it a insta-gib headshot against them. It would still be skillful, be give the fel-ix a slight advantage over the moa on these mercs. Especially if the other team has auras stacked.


(LifeupOmega) #36

Honestly, again, all they need to do is change the headshot multiplier so bodyshots are useless and headshots are deadly - preferably against all mercs because Rhino’s are disgusting and shouldn’t be allowed to live.


(JJMAJR) #37

“OMG RHEENO IS OP!!!”

Stop.


(Dysfnal) #38

Rhino giving you trouble? Meet Fragger, Proxy, Stoker, Arty, Kira, Nader, Fletcher


(watsyurdeal) #39

Honestly, I think buffing the damage, nerfing the clip size, and nerfing the rate of fire a bit, are the only changes that make sense

A enemy who’s been spotted by the Third Eye Cam, should die to a bodyshot from the Felix.

The Third Eye Cam increases damage by 25% I think, so increasing the damage to 88 would do the job imo.


(LifeupOmega) #40

“OMG RHEENO IS OP!!!”

Stop.[/quote]

Did you ever see where I said OP? Stop putting words in my mouth. I just don’t like him, hate his presence in the game, and want him dead.

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/4057/3.0