Grandeur is poop

(gloomyRequirement) #1

1 shot and the accuracy is entirely out of the window, making it effectively impossible to land 2 headshots in a row(or have it indirectly halved in potential firing speed). Ironically it’s pretty powerful up close which makes no sense either and completely destroys any form of flair(just smashing the firing button like a real marksman).

Everytime I play Redeye with the Grandeur and land a headshot from afar I just wonder “why am I retarded enough to not just pick Vassili or the Dreiss”. Yes, the damage is quite a bit higher than the Dreiss but the accuracy when firing is legitimately so much worse that that Dreiss is pretty much always a better pick.

I would MUCH rather have the Grandeur a more “punishing to fail with” weapon than the current “well you’re allowed to land 1 shot and then the enemy is long gone :^)”. I suggest significantly improving accuracy on sequential shots(like SIGNIFICANTLY), lowering firing speed and lowering mag size to 10.

Currently it’s such a dumb weapon and I can understand why everyone hates it.

(watsyurdeal) #2

If you’ve gotten good with the Ambassador in TF2, it’s basically the same thing, just less time between accurate shots.

(gloomyRequirement) #3

I know that, not entirely sure what your point is but that aside. Problem is that it’s not exactly going to stand a chance against mid range weapons like the Stark given equal skill, the Dreiss pretty much outfires it as well.

Now some of it’s stats are really good. The damage is frightening at 40 damage per bodyshot and 14 bullets per mag is plenty too(really slow reloadtime though). But the recoil disallows you to shoot more than 1 bullet per ~1,5 seconds. It’s easily the worst gun when it comes to recoil looking at the marksman weapons(that includes all snipers, FELIX too). It feels stupid to get outshot by an Arty with a Stark AR at midrange given you both aim for the head simply because he can fire about 3 times as frequently as you can with the same accuracy

(GildedDark) #4

Redeye is my main merc I rock the G52 load out in beautiful fragment and I love the grandeur
I can’t use the dreiss on redeye nor the Pdp because they just don’t feel right on him. I’m stupid aggressive with redeye and the grandeur is by far my favorite weapon in game
Lowering the fire rate and mag size while increasing the accuracy will just turn it into another Pdp just without the scope

(Talonser) #5

Well it is possible to fire it accurately a bit faster if you ads, but you still need to control for recoil and the iron sights aren’t the best. Still though, ads cancels all spread so you can spam it a lot faster on ranges, so a good strategy is to try to get a headshot then follow up with a quick bodyshot. That’ll make short work of most mercs.

(sonsofaugust5) #6

I don’t agree. I was playing a PUG and a guy on the other team was carrying so hard using redeye with a grandeur. It’s an extremely capable gun. You are saying “accurate” but I think you mean recoil. If you fire at the max fire rate, the recoil and spread will not fully settle between shots, making them less “accurate”

(gloomyRequirement) #7

Redeye is always a merc that will get plenty of kills given the right amount of skill. He’s like Vassili in that respect.

Yet I find myself losing mid-long range duels to weapons like the Stark AR, and it doesn’t feel right.

(Amerika) #8

The gun always fires where you aim it. You simply pull down to manage recoil in-between shots. The gun is incredibly accurate shot after shot if you know how to manage recoil. It’s main issue is the ironsights on it are pretty poor for viewing.

I am somewhat decently known at being proficient with the Stark and I can tell you if I was to go up against somebody who is as competent with the GR I would lose 9 out of 10 times in a straight up fight. That’s why I rarely try to fight a redeye who is focused on me because the PDP and GR are so consistent at getting quick kills even with body shots and they cause a solid amount of view kick.

(gloomyRequirement) #9

[quote=“Amerika;154590”]The gun always fires where you aim it. You simply pull down to manage recoil in-between shots. The gun is incredibly accurate shot after shot if you know how to manage recoil. It’s main issue is the ironsights on it are pretty poor for viewing.

I am somewhat decently known at being proficient with the Stark and I can tell you if I was to go up against somebody who is as competent with the GR I would lose 9 out of 10 times in a straight up fight. That’s why I rarely try to fight a redeye who is focused on me because the PDP and GR are so consistent at getting quick kills even with body shots and they cause a solid amount of view kick.[/quote]

Wait you’re saying there’s an exclusively vertical spread effect?

Also at what ranks do you play? For I’ve never found myself against a Redeye that could outfire me with the Stark at midrange and vice versa(Vassili plenty, but not Redeye with the Grandeur)

(Amerika) #10

[quote=“gloomyRequirement;154598”][quote=“Amerika;154590”]The gun always fires where you aim it. You simply pull down to manage recoil in-between shots. The gun is incredibly accurate shot after shot if you know how to manage recoil. It’s main issue is the ironsights on it are pretty poor for viewing.

I am somewhat decently known at being proficient with the Stark and I can tell you if I was to go up against somebody who is as competent with the GR I would lose 9 out of 10 times in a straight up fight. That’s why I rarely try to fight a redeye who is focused on me because the PDP and GR are so consistent at getting quick kills even with body shots and they cause a solid amount of view kick.[/quote]

Wait you’re saying there’s an exclusively vertical spread effect?

Also at what ranks do you play? For I’ve never found myself against a Redeye that could outfire me with the Stark at midrange and vice versa(Vassili plenty, but not Redeye with the Grandeur)[/quote]

No, I said there is vertical recoil that you have to manage by pulling down if you want to remain accurate on consecutive shots (less than the PDP now). I don’t play MM. I pub and play in pugs from time to time. You also said mid-long range fights. Not just mid. Close to mid range fights I’d give to the Stark more often than not. Longer ranges, even with proper recoil management with the Stark, you won’t be taking the head off of a competent Redeye with the GR before they take yours off. My point is that the gun is pretty accurate yet you claim it’s not after the first shot.

I would really like to see video of you using it.

(KattiValk) #11

Being able to reliably OHK Aura and Sparks from the hip is really nice. The Granduer is pretty strong right now.

(Szakalot) #12

@Amerika while you can compensate for a lot of GR inaccuraccy with pulling down to fight recoil; GR also has significant spread/bloom when hipfiring.

the key to GR is to know when to hipfire and when to ADS. generally when surprising opponents you can switch to ADS and put them down incredibly quickly with 2-3 shots.

if you are dancing around corners you can use GR as a very accurate shotgun

if you are point blank spamming GR hipfire can be effective (but there will be times when every single shot misses)

with ADS you generally want to spam as fast as possible while managing recoil

if opponent is low on hp its better to take your time and put them down with a single bodyshot

alwaya aim for the head for sparks/aura

first hipfire shot should be aimed st the head; unless you are point blank, switch to bodyshot spam

sometimes you can switch to ADS to get
a sudden accuracy boost

(Amerika) #13

@Szakalot I was talking exclusively about ADS as that’s what the OP was talking about. I know all about the bloom and spread when hipfiring which is a different subject.

(capriRocket) #14

i noticed that the weapon requires a lot of flick aim.

i used to main sparks, (7.5k kills) and im so used to snapping heads at any range.
i started to fool around on some of the weaker mercs for a challenge and tried to get the most shitty weapons to work.

i found i 2 headshot everything in sight with the grandeur by flicking, i believe that people with more pronounced tracking aim have a harder time getting it to work.

perhaps its also the timing of my shots that remind me so much of the pre nerf reviver and you also need to be totally calm and if you notice youre shooting too fast you skip a shot.

anyway, hipfire is still horrible if you dont have a rhythm down. enemy fills 70% of my screen, whole mag flies into the roof haha.

also the reload takes longer than a damn phoenix selfres and no drilled available.

i believe i just remembered what i actually wanted to say:

the firerate is there for you to spam ADS shots, hip needs timing a la shoot - strafe -shoot- strafe etc.

(doxjq) #15

Haha @capriRocket I was literally about to write this. For some reason my natural instinct with the grandeur is to seriously flick it when I shoot it. Which is weird because I have never been a flick aimer in any game before. Always been a smooth consistent low sensitivity tracker. I find if I try and track with the Grandeur I just miss consistently, but flicking it works wonderful.

Personally I think the Grandeur is great. I liked it even before they recently buffed it twice. It does so much damage and in all honesty it’s not hard to land hipfire headshots. Some of my highest scoring and highest K/D games are with Red-eye / Grandeur combo. If you’re in rhythm with that gun you’ll pack out some serious damage.

My only nit-pick with it is gibbing bodies. Medium to long distance especially. Some times it takes 3-4 body shots to gib someone, which makes no sense to me as the Stark is the same and the Grandeur is a much more powerful gun. But hey I like it.

I do have to be in rhythm with it though. It’s not the sort of gun I can just not use for a month then log in and slaughter with it straight away. Unless I use Red-eye daily my Grandeur aim just sucks.

(Naonna) #16

So I see Gloomy’s back to collecting disagrees. We may have a new record on our hands. Good job…

Focusing on the Granduer: learn to use it: there’s a learning curve. I’m still practicing and it’s a fun challenge. Iron sights aside. ( I wish it were more similar to the Dreiss or Hochifr.)
It feels much more solid compared to the Dreiss. For comparison, go play a round using 3 different gun types for 1 match using Red Eye. Every load out will have to be played in a new way.

(Szakalot) #17

@rancid
im not a flick aimer and im doing quite well with GR.

imo ot has to do with the fact that flick aiming makes you time your shots more, dont rightly see how itnwould suddenly make you more accurate, if you already know then weapon timing.

as far as gibbing, you inly ever want to ADS gib, otherwise its too inaccurate, or just switch to pistol

(TheVulpesFox) #18

Turn on full cross hair and you can see the bloom. Learn the timing or get some muscle memory. That may help you.