Grandeur is a joke. When's buff.

(Guziol) #1

Yes. Yet another grandeur thread. I’m frustrated as all hell with the current state of this weapon.

(GatoCommodore) #2

@Guziol said:
Yes. Yet another grandeur thread. I’m frustrated as all hell with the current state of this weapon.

go angry at the people who asked the nerf

(hoyes) #3

Grandeur is fine in terms of damage, it might need a rework in terms of accuracy to further reward timed shots and not promote spam, but other than that all I want is a nice sight.

(neverplayseriou) #4

80 headshot weapon that you can just spam with, yea lets buff that…

People on here need to get their head out of their ass and realise that when they suck with something it doesn’t mean it’s underpowered.

(Guziol) #5

It needed a nerf. But the changes are asinine. Right now we have a gun that’s trash with hip fire, and trash with ironsights. The stupid TTK made it worth using before but current damage with the handling just does not work. Everytime i’m trying to use it after changes i just can’t think of a reason why i wouldn’t use dreiss or pdp instead.
@neverplayseriou Sorry m8. I nevertakeyouseriously. It’s funny how you imply I’m bad at the game while you say that guardian is as good at healing as phoenix.

(neverplayseriou) #6

oh please, feel free to enlighten me why so many Phoenix players have to teamkill and revive their teammates in ranked if he’s so good at healing.

Phoenix’s heal is a joke, he’s useless at keeping up teammates so yes, he’s just as bad at healing as guardian, no point to take some garbage heal with a long cd over assault rifles and an anti explosive ability.

(Guziol) #7

Not here to discuss one of your many pants-on-head retarded posts. Only pointing out you have no credibility to call people bad at the game when they disagree with your warped views.

(Mr.Cuddlesworth) #8

I just wish it handled more like the Driess

(frostyvampire) #9

I just want a sight closer to something like the AUG in csgo on it so it’s better at longer ranges.
The damage is fine, you can easily spray it at close range and a headshot + bodyshot kills 110 hp mercs

#10

@neverplayseriou said:
oh please, feel free to enlighten me why so many Phoenix players have to teamkill and revive their teammates in ranked if he’s so good at healing.

Phoenix’s heal is a joke, he’s useless at keeping up teammates so yes, he’s just as bad at healing as guardian, no point to take some garbage heal with a long cd over assault rifles and an anti explosive ability.

Derailing the thread a bit, but this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anyone say on these boards. You’re not playing the same game - or not playing it correctly - if you think Phoenix can’t sustain a team well. Potent packs and a hold for 2 seconds will fully heal light mercs and upwards of 70% on heavies. That leaves you with about a 6-8 second cd. A tap heal to top some folks off hardly has a cd and a full hold (which is completely unnecessary most of the time) is about 15 seconds or so. I think Saw is the best medic, but he can just as easily end up stuck waiting on his cooldown. The difference being Phoenix can heal more than one teammate at once. I’m at a complete loss for words if you genuinely mean what you said.

I think the Grandeur was slightly overnerfed too, but it’s not a weapon I use regularly so I’ll let the people more experienced with that gun debate it out.

(CryonicArrow) #11

My only problem with the grandeur, it’s a semi automatic rifle turned into a sniper. Either they give it a proper scope and decrease its rate of fire so it can be considered a sniper. Or increase its hip fire accuracy and lower it’s damage to match the other semi automatics so it can become a true semi automatic assault rifle.

(watsyurdeal) #12

Nerf the headshot damage to 75, buff the body shot damage to 35. Then improve accuracy, by making the cooldown for the spread about 33%, faster than it is now. So you don’t have to wait as long before firing accurate rounds.

(Brycko) #13

Don’t know what y’all are talking about. As long as you aim for the head you can still destroy the enemy team. I actually got called a hacker because I was destroying the enemy team with hip-fire headshots. Because of the large clip size, the Grandeur is very forgiving. You can still kill people if you body-shot, it just takes longer and more shots to do it. If you want to body-shot spam, then use the dreiss and not the grandeur. Grandeur now is just pushing people to headshot more, which is the point since it’s a sniper rifle. I’d be for a buff to the headshot, but then people will start calling for a Grandeur nerf again. I think it’s in a good place now, and frankly the Sniper I worry the least about rn.

This thread actually makes me laugh so much cause everyone’s been calling for a grandeur nerf for the longest time, and now it’s nerfed and people want a buff xD.

(woodchip) #14

The Grandeur is objectively inferior to the Dreiss at everything except 1 shotting Aura. Quite literally it’s worse at everything unless you consistently hit two consecutive headshots. And having played this game for 1k hours I have never seen anyone who is that accurate. I get accused of hacking all the time fwiw and I am nowhere close to good enough to make the Grandeur competitive with the Dreiss.

Grandeur in a really bad place. It’s fine to have a gun with a higher skill floor and higher skill cap reward but right now Grandeur has a totally insane and unrealistic skill floor (always land 2x headshots) in order to see any upside at all. It’s kind of like if there was an AWP variant that only 1 shot to the head but fired 10% faster or something: would be total trash even in the pro scene. Just too much downside for a small (and ridiculously unrealistic) upside.

Yeah, you can still do well with it in pubs. Doesn’t mean anything. You can go 50 / 10 with pistols in this game. There’s almost no reason to use the Grandeur in current state.

(znuund) #15

there are too many weapons anyway

(FishRolls) #16

The grandeur is useless unless you can manage to always land headshots. So unless you’re a living aimbot, you’re better off using literally any other weapon, which is sad because I really like the Grandeur’s design.

(neverplayseriou) #17

“The Grandeur is objectively inferior to the Dreiss at everything except 1 shotting Aura. Quite literally it’s worse at everything unless you consistently hit two consecutive headshots. And having played this game for 1k hours I have never seen anyone who is that accurate. I get accused of hacking all the time fwiw and I am nowhere close to good enough to make the Grandeur competitive with the Dreiss.”

oh no, it’s inferior to one of the most op weapons in the game…

(aNi0n) #18

@jooshoyes said:
Grandeur is fine in terms of damage, it might need a rework in terms of accuracy to further reward timed shots and not promote spam, but other than that all I want is a nice sight.

This is a good point.

(woodchip) #19

@aNi0n said:

@jooshoyes said:
Grandeur is fine in terms of damage, it might need a rework in terms of accuracy to further reward timed shots and not promote spam, but other than that all I want is a nice sight.

This is a good point.

I would probably prefer the ironsights get improved to buffing the accuracy. Just in terms of flavor/fantasy a rifle that alternates between ADS and hipfire seems to fit the Grandeur concept well. I don’t really want a Grandeur that can fire fast without ADS.

Also the stupid ring sight thing on the Grandeur is just annoying. Combined with the high ADS kick (which is good) it makes Grandeur ADS very inconsistent because of how often you completely lose your target in the obstructive sights after a high kick shot.