Game Title


(bluefoot) #1

I have to say, excited as I am to see Brink 2 ( :wink: ) and as immediate as my reflex to buy one of the packages was … the title of the game concerns me.

Whilst I don’t believe for a minute that Splash Damage would ever produce such a derivative, trite game targeting the same audience, with a predictably Daily Mail / Fox News like antagonistic propaganda-filled nature … the title feels worryingly Call of Duty-esque.

Is this really necessary? Could you not think of something catchier, or less likely to bring baying packs of xenophobic morons dashing for the download button?

I may have to call it Dirty Bum.


(Dysfunkshion) #2

I don’t see any problems with the gametitle?

“Dirty” might represent a form of ingame storytelling (like in W:ET) which explains the basic story. Or it might be a figure of speech for an alternative style of movement and gunplay. The type we’re used to in other SD titles.
“Bomb” might also refer to a story element or it could refer to the objective based gameplay.

If it’s so bad, and Cod-esque (which I think of as complete nonsense), why don’t you give a better suggestion? ^^


(prophett) #3

I don’t think it’s CoD-esque at all - either in looks, movement, or gameplay.

I would have liked to see “Enemy Territory” included in the title somewhere, but it makes no difference

Enemy Territory: Apocalypse or Enemy Territory: Fallout are ok titles, if it was ok to use “ET” :]


(bluefoot) #4

You both miss the point entirely.


(Dysfunkshion) #5

Yea, I might have interpreted your post wrongly, care to explain then?

What I understood is that you didn’t like the title, because you wanted something “better and less generic” sounding. The only problem I had with your post is that you label something as “bad” or “Not appropriate” without giving suggestions to make it better. :slight_smile:


(Dragonji) #6

I can’t see any problem with the title.


(BioSnark) #7

I’m never quite sure if people miss the literal meaning of the term when this comes up. If that is the case, a dirty bomb is a conventional bomb packed with radioactive material that is designed to contaminate an area at a fraction of the cost and technical expertise of a proper nuke. It’s a fairly prominent contemporary concern because the materials are apparently not incredibly hard to obtain.


(Bloodbite) #8

Right… it’s a legit term that has been around for quite some time. Splash has clearly made the mistake of assuming the FPS audience was “that” clued in. Ever since the catch phrase expression of WMDs, the general public has glazed over the proper terminology for various threats-to-civilisation. “Terrorism” and “WMD”… the umbrella terms that cancel out the need to understand any other specifics.

You know, for such a militant-centric FPS gamer generation these days, too many people are ignorant about actual warfare outside of what CoD and BF tell them.


(Dysfunkshion) #9

[QUOTE=Bloodbite;415914]Right… it’s a legit term that has been around for quite some time. Splash has clearly made the mistake of assuming the FPS audience was “that” clued in. Ever since the catch phrase expression of WMDs, the general public has glazed over the proper terminology for various threats-to-civilisation. “Terrorism” and “WMD”… the umbrella terms that cancel out the need to understand any other specifics.

You know, for such a militant-centric FPS gamer generation these days, too many people are ignorant about actual warfare outside of what CoD and BF tell them.[/QUOTE]
I’m 20 and I follow the news very closely. I’m pretty sure, we as Belgian civilians, don’t know much about warfare except what we see on television or in the games. Most wars that are currently going on don’t affect us at all, while nations as the US, Israel, Afghanistan pretty much live in “war”. Note that I’m not judging either side here. Don’t want to start a flame war about modern politics. What I’m trying to say is that most wars are “far from our bed stories”.

On top of that, we have to deal with language barriers which causes the loss of the meaning of specific military terminology.
Well, I hope I got my point across because my sentences sound awfull in this post :stuck_out_tongue:


(Bloodbite) #10

[QUOTE=Dysfunkshion;415921]I’m 20 and I follow the news very closely. I’m pretty sure, we as Belgian civilians, don’t know much about warfare except what we see on television or in the games… On top of that, we have to deal with language barriers which causes the loss of the meaning of specific military terminology.
Well, I hope I got my point across because my sentences sound awfull in this post :p[/QUOTE]

I get what you’re saying, but I’ve seen some really REALLY dumb comments about the name in the comments sections of some gaming sites (Gamespot in particular). Some morons can’t think beyond it meaning a really powerful smelling fart… and they really seem to think that’s what it means. Sadly it extends further than just lack of exposure to certain types of news or actual proximity to a warzone/conflict

Dirty Bombs were a relatively common concern near the end and directly after the fall of the Soviet Union and its vassal states… what with the surge in black market value for nuclear materials/weapons being smuggled out of the Russian borders, so it’s not all that long ago that they were in the global media (I suppose 10-15 years ago). Alot more was “scary” and “real” when it was the threat of nuclear war than this new age of terrorism, which included giving the general public an understanding of how nasty the many variety of nuclear weapons could be to help them polarize that the other side were truly an evil entity.

I have also seen the term used in reference to computer attacks too, like a virus/worm/etc, but I don’t think the digital expression ever stuck.

But I do think it is rather disturbing to see so many FPS gamers keen on war propaganda but all they know is the fiction of AAA games rather than real history and current affairs.

All in all, I think it’s a good name. If people are too stupid to understand that it might actually be legit, and make childish conclusions about what it means… those kinds of morons were never going to stick around to play the game properly anyway. We saw it in Brink, the simple minded portion of gamers just couldn’t grasp the complexity of “working together” and towards the objectives rather than mindless run-&-gun lone wolfing at the expense of everything else. If the name turns that crowd away faster… all the better.


(Runeforce) #11

[QUOTE=Bloodbite;415949]
Dirty Bombs were a relatively common concern near the end and directly after the fall of the Soviet Union and its vassal states… what with the surge in black market value for nuclear materials/weapons being smuggled out of the Russian borders, so it’s not all that long ago that they were in the global media (I suppose 10-15 years ago). Alot more was “scary” and “real” when it was the threat of nuclear war than this new age of terrorism, which included giving the general public an understanding of how nasty the many variety of nuclear weapons could be to help them polarize that the other side were truly an evil entity.[/QUOTE]

Off-topic post: nuclear war is still (and will continue to be) the greatest threat against human civilization. Terrorism is not a threat against human civilization (but more of an annoyance, ofc. it is a (minor) threat to the individual, and a violation of their humanity if their live is taken or they are opressed, but that not unique to terrorism. In fact they are more likely to be opressed by the state they live in, when it has been targeted by terrorism, then by the terrorists themselves.) Unless ofc. they (the terrorists) were to get their hands on a nuke or DB and intended to use it (then they would pose a major treath against human civilization.) Something that is very likely to happen some point in the future with the current distribution of power. But it still boils down to the nuke being the greatest threat. And at the present, I would say a nuke launched is more likely to happen by nationstates than terrorists. IMO the only alternative to a future nuclear holocaust is to always respect individual differences, a horisontal distrubution of power, an end to opression and to think beyond the concept of nationstates. The people that should be fought, are the ones not wanting to do that. (And before you think that sounds too extreme, let me tell you that I, as an anarchist, think that taking human lives violates those principles.)

I agree, modern triple A FPS titles are nothing but US war propaganda and millitary advertisement (disguised as a game.) This is actually why I prefer FPS’ set in the distant future (and skewing away from realism.) At least the setting in DB (the game) is not gloryfying war, but making it dystopic. (Besides that you can always dicuss whether a respresentation where you “kill people” is a gloryfication of war and violence. I would tend towards that it is, but I can abstract away from it. It helps if you see your opponents as real people on the other end, instead of just game objects. If you can’t make that distinction (like kids up to a certain age or the mentally disabled) you should not play such games at all.)

Ps. This was a general coment, not targeted at anyone. I just quoted, to show what I used as entry point, not necessarily disagreeing.

On-Topic: I vote for naming the game DILDO (DIrty Longtime Deteriorating bOmb) :smiley:


(BomBaKlaK) #12

[QUOTE=lakersforce;415965]
On-Topic: I vote for naming the game DILDO (DIrty Longtime Deteriorating bOmb) :D[/QUOTE]

yeah ! this is the short name we looking for :stuck_out_tongue: love it


(bluefoot) #13

I think some of the latter posters understood what I was getting at.

It’s a highly charged term, and one which has repeatedly (and spuriously) been used to justify extremely dubious political ends, to say the very least.

Just a little disappointed that it appears not much thought has been put into this.

Anyway, still went for the Contributor Pack and can’t wait to play the Alpha and offer some more informed feedback.


(BioSnark) #14

Meh.

It’s a name for a thing that summarizes a setting, much like fallout or aftermath (or Brink, Left 4 Dead, etc.) Settings which are unrelated to the contemporary world forfeit social and emotional relevance and relatability. Brink’s setting was interesting because it directly relates to global warming, xenophobia and the massive resource distribution disparity that we are facing as a global society.


(bluefoot) #15

It’s set in a very near future contemporary real-world setting … indeed, the first map is modeled on the area of the City of London near the Gherkin and Tower Bridge …

I would agree with you about Brink, and the other titles you mentioned. I don’t suppose the antagonists in DB will be wearing Kaftans with thick Middle Eastern accents, but the title or the presumed premise that a lot of people might be attracted to is definitely CoDish.


(BioSnark) #16

Yeah, sure. And DC metropolitan area is the setting for Fallout 3 and New Orleans is the setting for Left 4 Dead 2 rather than, respectively, post-nuclear devastation or a mutant rabies virus outbreak that has caused a retreating society to leave four survivors for dead.


(ImageOmega) #17

Not sure what point you were trying to make, but thought I’d link that article as far as what one writer detailed as accurate (and inaccurate) setting depictions. Truthfully, the backdrop used could be interchangeable with any other city, but I think London is an interesting choice especially with the detailed accuracies.


(bluefoot) #18

You’re being facetious. One is a post-apocalyptic sci-fi fantasy in the relatively more distant future, one clearly is not.


(BioSnark) #19

No. This is not a relevant distinction. It would not be a relevant distinction if Dirty Bomb was attempting to portray real historical events rather than the stylized near future that it does or, potentially, high fantasy. However, I don’t see how arguing the semantics of the word “setting” is even relevant to the point of the topic, if I understand you correctly. As such, let us pretend that I used the word, “premise.” When you read any of my posts in this thread, if you would, please mentally replace all instances of the word “setting” with the word “premise” and we should have a more clear understanding of each other’s meanings.

In that case, I’ll go over it again.

My point is that “Dirty Bomb” is a description of the premise of the game. Many, many games (and everything else) have a title which attempts to describe their content and/or premise. A “Dirty Bomb” is not a political term. This is not “prolife” versus “prochoice.” It is simply a widely used term for a radioactive, non-nuclear explosive weapon.

This point was in response to, and in disagreement with, others in this thread who classified “Dirty Bomb” as a political term.

As we have discussed, the use of a dirty bomb is not a far fetched scenario. While concern in the general population has since diminished, the large scale use of nuclear weapons was still a prominent concern when the game, Wasteland, spiritual predecessor to the still popular Fallout series, was made. The art, culture and media of a society reflect and reflect on the concerns of the society. It’s just a means for society to communicate with itself and evolve its ideas. If we happen to disagree with some of these communications, good. We should disagree and disagree vocally at add to the conversation.

This point was in response to others arguing that games should not reflect on concerns contemporary to their creation.

All this said, I don’t think the game’s name is perfect. My issue with the name is that, by themselves, both the words “Dirty” and “Bomb” have many meanings which do not accurately summarize the game. People who are not native speakers or who choose to educate themselves on current affairs and the history of the past several decades will likely not understand the two words in conjunction and, thus, the game’s name, which is, again, a summery of the game’s premise, will fly over their heads.

To me, that remains to be seen. Brink’s setting could have been interchangable with a space station or natural island. To me, it was not because of how the setting was presented by the narrative. I hope Splash Damage can give their London a sense of place both aesthetically and narratively but I’ll have to reserve judgement until the game is released.

I thought they missed all that in their other previous titles, aside from RAD Soldiers which I have no experience of.


(bluefoot) #20

Again, I’d say you’re being massively facetious, and dirty bomb is a political term. It’s not a technical term, nor a particularly probable threat as you claim. Aside from massive technical problems with prosecuting a ‘successful’ attack, the chance of any non-state actor managing to procure the materials and expertise without interception or detection is practically nil.