Game Logic Vs Real logic

(PlatinumCLAW) #1

Airstrike Vs Artillery

Anyone wondered how artillery strikes way faster than airstrikes. I mean airstrike takes a second or 2 but artillery is almost instant. In Battlefield (2) there is almost 10 second delay before the artillery fires and the shell reaches the target. And anyways this cannot be implemented in this fast based game. But Logic. Artillery is very powerful but slow in real life. I am not saying the game logic is bad, just comparing with real life.

Post your game logic vs real logic in this format.

(BlackboltLW) #2

Actually, the “artillery” strike in-game is a “smart bomb” or some sort, you can see it explodes in the sky and drops multiple bombs in one targeted area, where Sky’s “airstrike” is a carpet bombing with a drone

Also why it’s fast? You can see the strike is actually delivered by a jet plane, try looking at the sky after using the artillery.

(PlatinumCLAW) #3

something like this i think

(Jostabeere) #4

Ever seen someone throwing explosive mines?

@BlackboltLW I always see the bombs in the artillery strike as spiky balls.

(GatoCommodore) #5

[quote=“PlatinumCLAW;32311”]Airstrike Vs Artillery

Anyone wondered how artillery strikes way faster than airstrikes. I mean airstrike takes a second or 2 but artillery is almost instant. In Battlefield (2) there is almost 10 second delay before the artillery fires and the shell reaches the target. And anyways this cannot be implemented in this fast based game. But Logic. Artillery is very powerful but slow in real life. I am not saying the game logic is bad, just comparing with real life.

Post your game logic vs real logic in this format.[/quote]

Artilery has been a word that has changed its meaning in the modern battlefield.
in WW1 12 inch guns were artilery.
in WW2 Rockets and tanks with big guns were considered artilery.
in Present day, aerial minelaying is also considered artilery.

lets break it down with my theory.

while Skybro missile barrage has slower cooldown, it actually make sense.
the drone that skybro has is particularly smaller in size and probably have to refit and rearm after it strikes because it already carries many missiles (either skybro has a crew, or his drone can automatically rearms).

MQ-9 attack drone has maximum payload of 450kg with propeller engine.

“The MQ-9 carries a variety of weapons including the GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb, the AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-ground missiles, the AIM-9 Sidewinder, and the GBU-38 JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition).”

the thing that mentioned above is JDAM (Joint Direct Munition). Arty and Skyhammer both uses a tool to mark the target they want to drop the munition at for example, laser designation or grenade marker. Joint direct munition are directed by the tools to accurately dropped at the target area.

the difference between Skyhammer drone and Arty drone is that Arty drone probably A cargo bomber type that lingers in the airspace and drops the munitions one by one. instead of having to refit and rearm like skybro drone, arty drone carries more bombs and prefer to use gravity powered cluster-fragment bomb rather than missiles.

im not sure but i heard cannon fire when arty lazered the area he wanted to drop.
it could be arty using automated cannon or have a mobile crew with a drone designating the target (because i saw the bombs drop but not from the plane.)

or

the drone bomber shoots the bombs

or

my theory above.

whats outside logic is how expensive those things are.
one JDAM munition with extended range is $10,000.


ps: CAS and JDAM is fast.

(bontsa) #6

All this super detailed, long and constructed text about ways to deliver explosive payloads.

And here I’m sitting drooling after 2020’s technology apparently…cough… able to treat gunshot wounds with defibrillators.

(PlatinumCLAW) #7

[quote=“bontsa;204131”]All this super detailed, long and constructed text about ways to deliver explosive payloads.

And here I’m sitting drooling after 2020’s technology apparently…cough… able to treat gunshot wounds with defibrillators.[/quote]

That is kind of game design from long ago, Battlefield 2 is from 2005 but same revive mechanics.
There are many impossible things in games, like in dirty bomb
infinite grenade launcher without reload
sticky bombs and nades reappear on you pocket after cooldown
same with all the abilities like smoke grenades, vassili detector and snitch.
mines also reappear from a different dimension as they wont fit in proxy’s pocket nor she can hang them around her back.
Infinite regenerating ammo bags and health packs and turrets.
None of them can be explained using any technology. (unless they got a portable teleporter at base)

(GatoCommodore) #8

[quote=“PlatinumCLAW;204132”][quote=“bontsa;204131”]All this super detailed, long and constructed text about ways to deliver explosive payloads.

And here I’m sitting drooling after 2020’s technology apparently…cough… able to treat gunshot wounds with defibrillators.[/quote]

That is kind of game design from long ago, Battlefield 2 is from 2005 but same revive mechanics.
There are many impossible things in games, like in dirty bomb
infinite grenade launcher without reload
sticky bombs and nades reappear on you pocket after cooldown
same with all the abilities like smoke grenades, vassili detector and snitch.
mines also reappear from a different dimension as they wont fit in proxy’s pocket nor she can hang them around her back.
Infinite regenerating ammo bags and health packs and turrets.
None of them can be explained using any technology. (unless they got a portable teleporter at base)
[/quote]

if dirty bomb successfully launched, they should add hardcore mode.

medics dont have defibrilator
only nano tech heals instantly/ fast
Bullet resistant plate can break
rhino juggernaut armor is virtualy impenetrable
(that thing can survive 30mm wide shrapnel flying at 200km/h)
ammo packs need time to fill magazines
ammo station provide magazines with ammo
merc without helmet die instantly
(except nader because her headband probably carries platings
google Bean Bandit Gunsmith cat)
missile and bombs have shrapnels
abilities can only activated 2 times (even fletcher)
EV vulnerable to mine
all merc speed and health decreased to normal-average human speed
supressed and morale shocks

oh well, these might never be able to exist.
im just waiting for rstorm 2.

(Chris Mullins) #9

I’d imagine artillery would be faster than an airstrike. The artillery guns are probably going to be set up ready for the battle, granted so is the drone or aircraft. As soon as the designator finds it’s target, the artillery guns automatically adjust and fire, whereas a drone/aircraft would need to wait for the airstrike marker to pop and then update it’s flight path before being able to drop the bombs.

imo

(BlackboltLW) #10

[quote=“Jostabeere;204095”]@BlackboltLW I always see the bombs in the artillery strike as spiky balls.


[/quote]

This I still don’t understand.

I mean why does the bomb shaped like that.

(GatoCommodore) #11

[quote=“BlackboltLW;204182”][quote=“Jostabeere;204095”]@BlackboltLW I always see the bombs in the artillery strike as spiky balls.


[/quote]

This I still don’t understand.

I mean why does the bomb shaped like that.

[/quote]

imagine the round shape thingy is filled with plastic explosive.
imagine the spikes are detachable.

imagine how are the shape of proxy body after get dropped by this.

[quote=“stayfreshshoe;204178”]I’d imagine artillery would be faster than an airstrike. The artillery guns are probably going to be set up ready for the battle, granted so is the drone or aircraft. As soon as the designator finds it’s target, the artillery guns automatically adjust and fire, whereas a drone/aircraft would need to wait for the airstrike marker to pop and then update it’s flight path before being able to drop the bombs.

imo[/quote]

the round shape of Arty Bombs are making it aerodynamically hard to drop accurately at the designated target.
my guess is… remember that movie we loved? The incredibles?

see the middle round thingy?
i think arty bombs are delivered like that, except maybe its smaller.
by the size of it its kind of impossible of a robot/drone self propelled cannon that big move around the city fast just for arty get his special delivery on time.

my guess, arty put a cannon in the middle of london. powerful enough to reach the 1,572 km² area. (or rocket artillery which is the very possible one.)


(120mm mortar) (still too small for arty spike bombs)


(200mm cannon is more likely) (this thing can fire Rocket Assisted Projectile and even nuclear warhead.)

but this diminish the fact that after arty barraged an area, a plane went over the area.

so

it might be a bomber drone carrying heavy payload and dropping it one by one.
but it will require an airstrip.

because were adding dockyard map. we know that it will be able to bomb near water. which with my limited knowlegde, it comes down to 4 Airports. Gatwick, Biggin Hill, City Airport and Stansted.

we also know that it can reach tube station and railyards in the middle of the city.
which leave us City Airport and Biggin Hill Airport.

During the Second World War the airfield was one of the commanding bases for the Battle of Britain, with both Spitfires and Hurricanes from a variety of squadrons being based there. The squadrons based at Biggin Hill claimed to have destroyed 1,400 enemy aircraft, at the cost of the lives of 453 Biggin Hill based aircrew. Because of its importance to the capital’s defence, the airport itself became a target. Between August 1940 and January 1941, the airfield was attacked twelve times, the worst of which wrecked workshops, stores, barracks, WAAF quarters and a hangar, killing 39 people on the ground.

Biggin Hill was used by RAF (Royal Air Force) before turned into museum and private jet airport.
its most likely still retain some Bomb Racks from WW2.
Arty could have repurpose this bomb racks to be automated and be used to refit and rearm Skyhammer and Arty Plane.

Arty and Skyhammer would have launched their drones from this Airport.

Can SD confirm this?

(Skyler) #12

The bomb drops, hits a spike, spike retracts, ( like pressing a button on a detonator ) detonates the explosive. Kaboom! mind blown :wink:

[quote=“bontsa;204131”]

And here I’m sitting drooling after 2020’s technology apparently…cough… able to treat gunshot wounds with defibrillators.[/quote]

Dont think of them as Defibrillators, think of them like soldering iron that heat up to 800°c in a few seconds.

but like this V

http://f.tqn.com/y/housekeeping/1/W/c/8/cleaning-iron-83008343-resized.jpg

technically you are not dead, just incapacitated, so the “irons” would cauterize the wound. and magically the medic injects you with enough adrenaline to wake the dead.

(sgtCrookyGrin) #13

Game logic

  • I can run faster with a knife out

  • I can fly around off of walls as a small chick with a shotgun

  • I can fly around off of walls as a big bodybuilder with a minigun

  • I can survive multiple headshots

  • A medpack instantly heals a bullet wound that would normally take me a year to heal the surface and beyond 3 years to heal and replace everything on the inside because of human bioligy, instead this pack heals takes all that time and stuffs it in the time frame of 2 seconds…
    (you can tell this one irks me the most)

  • Nanites instantly jump on my body and repair damage done to me

  • I can carry unlimited ammo in either packs or a metal station and not be bogged down by the weight

  • I can carry unlimited medical kits or a heal station that replenishes its self every 20 seconds

  • Some guns fire the same caliber and deal different damage

  • The price of some of the equipment like Skyhammer’s drone refilling explosives probably is done for him for free and takes 1:20 seconds

  • Okay I could go on about this game and realism

This game is far from realism but hey I can totally believe in Phantom’s refractive armor…

(BananaSlug) #14

[quote=“sgtCrookyGrin;204226”]Game logic

  • I can run faster with a knife out

  • I can fly around off of walls as a small chick with a shotgun

  • I can fly around off of walls as a big bodybuilder with a minigun

  • I can survive multiple headshots

  • A medpack instantly heals a bullet wound that would normally take me a year to heal the surface and beyond 3 years to heal and replace everything on the inside because of human bioligy, instead this pack heals takes all that time and stuffs it in the time frame of 2 seconds…
    (you can tell this one irks me the most)

  • Nanites instantly jump on my body and repair damage done to me

  • I can carry unlimited ammo in either packs or a metal station and not be bogged down by the weight

  • I can carry unlimited medical kits or a heal station that replenishes its self every 20 seconds

  • Some guns fire the same caliber and deal different damage

  • The price of some of the equipment like Skyhammer’s drone refilling explosives probably is done for him for free and takes 1:20 seconds

  • Okay I could go on about this game and realism

This game is far from realism but hey I can totally believe in Phantom’s refractive armor…[/quote]

2020’s mate, changed a lot

(sgtCrookyGrin) #15

@BananaSlug

well Trump and Hillary most likely win and rule the world and cause all of this to happen so yea I can believe that…

(GatoCommodore) #16

[quote=“BananaSlug;204229”][quote=“sgtCrookyGrin;204226”]Game logic

  • I can run faster with a knife out

  • I can fly around off of walls as a small chick with a shotgun

  • I can fly around off of walls as a big bodybuilder with a minigun

  • I can survive multiple headshots

  • A medpack instantly heals a bullet wound that would normally take me a year to heal the surface and beyond 3 years to heal and replace everything on the inside because of human bioligy, instead this pack heals takes all that time and stuffs it in the time frame of 2 seconds…
    (you can tell this one irks me the most)

  • Nanites instantly jump on my body and repair damage done to me

  • I can carry unlimited ammo in either packs or a metal station and not be bogged down by the weight

  • I can carry unlimited medical kits or a heal station that replenishes its self every 20 seconds

  • Some guns fire the same caliber and deal different damage

  • The price of some of the equipment like Skyhammer’s drone refilling explosives probably is done for him for free and takes 1:20 seconds

  • Okay I could go on about this game and realism

This game is far from realism but hey I can totally believe in Phantom’s refractive armor…[/quote]

2020’s mate, changed a lot[/quote]

that but imagine that is automated machinery.

(PlatinumCLAW) #17

[quote=“BananaSlug;204229”]

2020’s mate, changed a lot[/quote]

All we need is a merc who can shoot fireballs. Well that is not magical.
We also need a merc (like X-Men apocalypse) who could roll his eyeballs and bury all the players underground or turn them into dust.
We could also use a wolverine.

(BlackboltLW) #18

[quote=“PlatinumCLAW;204344”][quote=“BananaSlug;204229”]

2020’s mate, changed a lot[/quote]

All we need is a merc who can shoot fireballs. Well that is not magical.
We also need a merc (like X-Men apocalypse) who could roll his eyeballs and bury all the players underground or turn them into dust.
We could also use a wolverine.
[/quote]

You mean Stoker, right

I’m actually wondering Phoenix nanites though, I mean where are those nanobots came from, those surely would be expensive

(GatoCommodore) #19

[quote=“BlackboltLW;204349”][quote=“PlatinumCLAW;204344”][quote=“BananaSlug;204229”]

2020’s mate, changed a lot[/quote]

All we need is a merc who can shoot fireballs. Well that is not magical.
We also need a merc (like X-Men apocalypse) who could roll his eyeballs and bury all the players underground or turn them into dust.
We could also use a wolverine.
[/quote]

You mean Stoker, right

I’m actually wondering Phoenix nanites though, I mean where are those nanobots came from, those surely would be expensive[/quote]

self replicating bio machines son.
god bless Bio Engineering

(Mister__Wiggles) #20

The arty strikes are more like cluster bombs and the airstrike is a carpet bomb. Given the airstrike needs an actual plane to take off and do the run it should be longer than a mortar/cannon should take to load and fire the round.