Game is not noob friendly at all

Rex · 2013-09-25 12:47:57 UTC

I’m sorry to say this, but QW raped noobs hard.

dirtybomber · 2013-09-25 12:51:35 UTC

etqw forever in our hearts <3

Finko · 2013-09-25 13:15:23 UTC

I was raped many times, and it was fun

k0k0nat · 2013-09-25 13:38:30 UTC

i think u havent played lots of 8v8. it’s a mindless shooting mess.

yes, when the server is full DB suxx hard atm.

5on5 is pretty much fun, but 8vs8 with the current weapon balance… meeeehh…

The majority of the players will just play public games and the current situation with sniper rifles, shotguns and heavy MG is just stupid.

acQu · 2013-09-25 13:44:42 UTC

fubar;473130:

I don’t think you quite realize how big of a deal spawntimes are. Even already, now, there’s a few people that take the effort of keeping track of the spawn, despite not having proper times. in ET and RtCW the entire game has evolved around the spawntime. On high level play, the entire game comes down to nothing else but the spawntime and how to best adapt and abuse it. The same in Quake, the entirety of the game is keeping track of mega, red and if applicable the yellows - at all times. CS, apart from not having spawntimes, is all about timing, it takes you X seconds to get from A to B, thus Y into the round you should be positioned at Z or throw a flash/nade/smoke - CS can be boiled down to nothing but synchronized and timed pushes - which without waves is an impossibility.

I see what you are saying. But its not related to the problem i try to describe. Its somewhat unimportant even. The spawntime is always something you can easily adjust by changing a number, adding side-routes is a bigger deal and can help with playercongestion. Also closing windows and reducing the level of exposure on most spots. These are two things which work together for me. Spawntimes are fairly unimportant in this regard.

Kl3ppy · 2013-09-25 14:21:00 UTC

I’m not sure if ETQW raped noobs or not.
I think it was easy to get a decent game going without knowing the whole game. The objective class was/is marked with a star, the Hud does show where to go. Also the wepoans itself have no wierd stuff etc.
But to master etqw was a different story. there is so much to learn (Stroy-> helath, vehicle use, rocket arty/plasma etc). It happend that many guys didnt get behind all the stuff you can do in etqw.
I’m somehow between saying etqw was noobfriendly and it raped noobs.

Finko · 2013-09-25 14:57:13 UTC

[QUOTE=Shifty.;473175]I’m not sure if ETQW raped noobs or not.
I think it was easy to get a decent game going without knowing the whole game. The objective class was/is marked with a star, the Hud does show where to go. Also the wepoans itself have no wierd stuff etc.
But to master etqw was a different story. there is so much to learn (Stroy-> helath, vehicle use, rocket arty/plasma etc). It happend that many guys didnt get behind all the stuff you can do in etqw.
I’m somehow between saying etqw was noobfriendly and it raped noobs.[/QUOTE]

Flying on anansi/tormentor still magic for me :<

FireWater · 2013-09-25 15:55:05 UTC

I think its difficult to tell whether this game is “noob friendly” or not because most of the people in this alpha not only have considerable FPS experience, but most likely competitive experience as well. To extend this point, a lot of players have either comp W:ET and/or ET:QW experience, I for one have the latter.

As such it can be difficult to tell if newer players will gravitate towards the game or not. I’m not sure what the plans are for closed beta, but it sounds to me that SD will invite a variety of players to get involved, and that will mean also a variety of skill and experience. So unfortunately with the current testing population, it is difficult to see what players will gravitate towards or avoid at this point.

N.E.R.D · 2013-09-25 15:55:34 UTC

They should introduce the same amount of lag that qw has into extraction and then it would be noob friendly But why do you think it is not noob friendly ??? There are many ways you can kill without skill and I see noobs doing that every day. Some examples would be:
Playing Soldier
Camping Camping Camping
Playing Sniper (If skill still too low choose supppaaafast sniper)
etc. etc. etc.
I’d rather say it is not pro friendly

FROST1 · 2013-09-25 16:28:50 UTC

I think, with “not noob friendly” the OP meant, that the game as a whole isn’t particulary accessible, and not, that it’s too hard for newcomers to hit something. And I pretty much share that opinion. And I already said above, what I would do to lubricate the entry for new players, otherwise it might hurt:wink:

k0k0nat · 2013-09-25 16:40:31 UTC

Just imagine you hop on the 8v8 Server and get instant shotgunned/sniped/MG’ed.

Thats how DB feels atm. For me, this has more to do with “not being noob friendly” than gamespeed etc.

Currently u take 1-2 random shots from a SMG/MG whatsoever and somebody finishes u off with the OP-Shotgun. Or a noob like me comes and spams some nades around.

Same works when a sniper hits u in your right thumb. If the server is full, this game is a mess.

INF3RN0 · 2013-09-25 18:19:57 UTC

[QUOTE=.N.E.R.D.;473195]They should introduce the same amount of lag that qw has into extraction and then it would be noob friendly But why do you think it is not noob friendly ??? There are many ways you can kill without skill and I see noobs doing that every day. Some examples would be:
Playing Soldier
Camping Camping Camping
Playing Sniper (If skill still too low choose supppaaafast sniper)
etc. etc. etc.
I’d rather say it is not pro friendly ;)[/QUOTE]

But isn’t FOPS the new soldier? haha

sunshinefats · 2013-09-26 03:03:05 UTC

This. Panzer spam>your excellent aim.

k0k0nat · 2013-09-26 12:30:47 UTC

Watch ET Pro-Fragmovies

meme

Panzer and Airstrikes

Rex · 2013-09-26 12:35:57 UTC

Fops is the new ‘doing frags class’ (or ‘rambo’) closely followed by the Soldier.

BomBaKlaK · 2013-09-26 13:09:58 UTC

Fops got the deadliest ability (air strike / artillery / molotov ) and the best primary weapon so yes, it’s the new Rambo.

onYn · 2013-09-27 23:49:31 UTC

Maybe add some kind of tutorial, that can be done if needed, maybe explaining some of the storry too, and the general mechanics of the game. Then maybe a map that is easier, where people can train basic game mechanics, instead of trying to find out how the map actually works.

Edit: by doing this, topics like strafing could be discussed again, because if someone tells you how to do it, it´s not hard to learn. I know that´s kinda late, but I havent gotten an invite earlier, so let me post this at least now.