[quote=“Kroad;18674”]just finished a pug, 28 mins, can count the number of deaths to nades on one hand
feels good
the 10% spread nerf to fragger first shot is probably because of how accurate tragedy was with his triggerbot 1tapping k121 which devs saw, a noticeable nerf but k121 is still a great weapon[/quote]
Is that an inside joke about him? An F8 member mentioned something about him obviously walling during the cup stream. But I couldn’t tell if people were just being sarcastic.
[quote=“Amerika;18791”]
Is that an inside joke about him? An F8 member mentioned something about him obviously walling during the cup stream. But I couldn’t tell if people were just being sarcastic.[/quote]
http://www.reddit.com/r/Dirtybomb/comments/358p2p/regarding_my_cevo_ban/
make sure to check coolmatt’s video in the comments
watch his stream, you can see him using k121 with a triggerbot, stops firing when he takes his crosshair off the enemy which resets the spread (doesn’t always do this, but it’s quite obvious at times)
devs said on stream that the 10% spread increase to first shot was after seeing people with incredibly high accuracy, but luckily, they were able to watch their stream and saw them tapping k121
in other words they watched tragedy’s triggerbot and nerfed k121 because of it
cc fang, if you want just delete this post, no point in locking the thread because of a slightly offtopic post
I expect this nerf hurts bad fraggers more than decent ones so that’s good. Nader buff looks good though, I’d probably be able to deal out more overall damage with a nader than a fragger atm, but would still choose a fragger just to easily take 1v1 or 2v2 engagements.
watch his stream, you can see him using k121 with a triggerbot, stops firing when he takes his crosshair off the enemy which resets the spread (doesn’t always do this, but it’s quite obvious at times)
devs said on stream that the 10% spread increase to first shot was after seeing people with incredibly high accuracy, but luckily, they were able to watch their stream and saw them tapping k121
in other words they watched tragedy’s triggerbot and nerfed k121 because of it
pretty sad if true. it is hard to spot ‘quieter’ trigger bots and sometimes just requires taking in the rest of his playstyle into account (movement, awareness, crosshair placement when looking around map, etc) if the player isn’t making obvious mistakes with it (see Kaen sniping). That said I can’t say I’ve come across anything of tragedy’s being blatant, but the consistency in hitting certain shots combined with the total lack of skill in other aspects of the game convince me that he’s likely using a triggerbot similar to Kaen’s if not the same.
[quote=“son!;18811”]
pretty sad if true. it is hard to spot ‘quieter’ trigger bots [/quote]
sadly yes, although there are some signs on his stream already, not anything conclusive though
twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443 in this twitch vod for example, you can see him stop shooting the moment he takes his crosshair off the target at times (dont have time to rewatch it to get timestamps rn). Obviously possible but it’s a very odd way of shooting.
[quote=“Kroad;18813”][quote=“son!;18811”]
pretty sad if true. it is hard to spot ‘quieter’ trigger bots [/quote]
sadly yes, although there are some signs on his stream already, not anything conclusive though
http://www.twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443 in this twitch vod for example, you can see him stop shooting the moment he takes his crosshair off the target at times (dont have time to rewatch it to get timestamps rn). Obviously possible but it’s a very odd way of shooting.[/quote]
I have no idea what you are linking to since you just linked his stream, but in general that’s not an odd way of shooting at all. Not just is bursting rather effective, it’s also quite typical to see players shoot only for the duration it takes to kill the target, then stop shooting and move the crosshair away at the same time (sometimes too early). From looking through some of his recent recordings, that’s the only thing I could see that resembled your description, and everything looked legit so far. Of course if you look hard enough, you will always find a few oddities that don’t really make sense, but evidence has to be pretty damn conclusive to make the cheating charge.
Please be careful with the witch hunts. I understand that people are extremely suspicious when somebody has cheated before, but if you take it too far, outsiders could easily think we are a bunch of scrubs crying cheater at the first opportunity.
[quote=“Zenity;18818”][quote=“Kroad;18813”][quote=“son!;18811”]
pretty sad if true. it is hard to spot ‘quieter’ trigger bots [/quote]
sadly yes, although there are some signs on his stream already, not anything conclusive though
http://www.twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443 in this twitch vod for example, you can see him stop shooting the moment he takes his crosshair off the target at times (dont have time to rewatch it to get timestamps rn). Obviously possible but it’s a very odd way of shooting.[/quote]
I have no idea what you are linking to since you just linked his stream, but in general that’s not an odd way of shooting at all. Not just is bursting rather effective, it’s also quite typical to see players shoot only for the duration it takes to kill the target, then stop shooting and move the crosshair away at the same time (sometimes too early). From looking through some of his recent recordings, that’s the only thing I could see that resembled your description, and everything looked legit so far. Of course if you look hard enough, you will always find a few oddities that don’t really make sense, but evidence has to be pretty damn conclusive to make the cheating charge.
Please be careful with the witch hunts. I understand that people are extremely suspicious when somebody has cheated before, but if you take it too far, outsiders could easily think we are a bunch of scrubs crying cheater at the first opportunity.[/quote]
Not rly a witch hunt when it’s on someone who has been banned multiple times before for cheating. It would be foolish not to be suspicious in this instance. This is off topic anyway and I have no interest in looking into any of this stuff, it’s the game devs job to do so; only when something is detected by anti-cheat will any action be taken anyway so it’s almost irrelevant what anyone’s opinion is.
[quote=“Zenity;18818”]
I have no idea what you are linking to since you just linked his stream, but in general that’s not an odd way of shooting at all. Not just is bursting rather effective, it’s also quite typical to see players shoot only for the duration it takes to kill the target, then stop shooting and move the crosshair away at the same time (sometimes too early).[/quote]
0:50 for example, he starts missing the target and the moment his crosshair leaves, stops shooting. Some more obvious examples later on.
this guy has a cevo ban and vac ban, in his apology on reddit he apologized for cheating on cevo then said he didnt cheat on cevo, he’s not legit
[quote=“Szakalot;18766”]@fubar
so its not the revive shield itself but the instant full mobility of the revived person. Wouldnt mind the shield getting nerfed a bit, if SD doesnt want to touch mobility.
Do you like where gibbing is atm.?[/quote]
It’s the shield, and the fact you can’t shoot through people. Often times, the shield is BLOCKING the enemies behind them.
There was a video on Splash Damage’s youtube page that commented on adding more bullets to the clip to even out the clip per kill ratio. I don’t think that is accounting for the bullets it takes to kill the player after being down, or the bullets it takes to re-kill the person that literally got revived a half a second later from dying.
It just feels weird, even the fraggers machine gun that has 50 bullets sometimes can’t even deal with that… at least not with the nerf to it now. For the most part, It’ll just turn into ability spam just to counter the train. I enjoy a game that has a more balanced focus on using bullets than using abilities, otherwise I’d be playing Overwatch.
Hypothetically, even if he wasn’t cheating, it’s pretty dumb to nerf something because 1 or a few players are capable of pulling something off that isn’t easy. Personally, I don’t even notice the LMG nerf, I’m more annoyed by the reasoning they used to nerf it. For a game that’s “not supposed to hold your hand”, they sure do seem to be doing just that.
As for trag, all you have to do is skim through a couple of his vods to realize he isn’t legit. It’s funny, even after the timing kroad linked where he kills the sniper, he throws an uncooked nade at NOTHING. That is commonplace on his stream. The guy can’t even do something as simple as cook nades properly, yet he is supposed to have mastered some amazing LMG firing technique? Right.
Btw, the reason the devs even had to watch his stream in the first place was because they noticed he had unusually high accuracy stats.
[quote=“Kroad;18813”][quote=“son!;18811”]
pretty sad if true. it is hard to spot ‘quieter’ trigger bots [/quote]
sadly yes, although there are some signs on his stream already, not anything conclusive though
twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443 in this twitch vod for example, you can see him stop shooting the moment he takes his crosshair off the target at times (dont have time to rewatch it to get timestamps rn). Obviously possible but it’s a very odd way of shooting.[/quote]
Not saying he cheats but in that link at 5:30 the kill on Proxy - www.twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443?t=5m30s is what a triggerbot looks like, though this can be replicated with human behaviour.
[quote=“Tomme;18917”]
Not saying he cheats but in that link at 5:30 the kill on Proxy - www.twitch.tv/tragedytv/b/657589443?t=5m30s is what a triggerbot looks like, though this can be replicated with human behaviour.[/quote]
yeah remember that kill, just didn’t have time to watch through the whole thing, definitely remember seeing that part.
Comparing 0:50 and 5:30, I wouldn’t really say that either is more suspicious, if anything 0:50 is. If a human decided that he did feel like 1tapping proxys (which is the suspicious part, it’s too high risk so there’s no point), then it’s doable, just no reason to do it. However, there is absolutely no reason to stop firing at a vasili the moment your crosshair leaves the target. Not only is it practically impossible to stop firing the exact moment your crosshair leaves the target (reaction times and all that), there’s absolutely no reason to do it when you could keep firing and put the crosshair back on (considering low health of vasili and range, spread wouldn’t have been a problem, and not firing for a fraction of a second doesn’t reset spread)
I don’t think they should make balance changes based on players that spend all their time stack farming much lower skill new players. That said I don’t think fragger is weak at all- if anything other mercs now have a fighting chance, and actually I think fragger is in a good spot right now especially with the nade tweaks.
[quote=“Kroad;18821”]
Comparing 0:50 and 5:30, I wouldn’t really say that either is more suspicious, if anything 0:50 is. If a human decided that he did feel like 1tapping proxys (which is the suspicious part, it’s too high risk so there’s no point), then it’s doable, just no reason to do it. However, there is absolutely no reason to stop firing at a vasili the moment your crosshair leaves the target. Not only is it practically impossible to stop firing the exact moment your crosshair leaves the target (reaction times and all that), there’s absolutely no reason to do it when you could keep firing and put the crosshair back on (considering low health of vasili and range, spread wouldn’t have been a problem, and not firing for a fraction of a second doesn’t reset spread)[/quote]
I don’t agree with 0:50, there are plenty of possible explanations for that (for example, he could have readjusted his mouse in this moment, which would have explained the little twitch of his crosshair as well). Lots of strange little things happen during a match.
5:30 is creepy though. I still don’t agree with forum witch hunts (especially in unrelated subjects), but everything considered I can certainly understand the suspicion now…
its pretty obvious to be honest. Ive never watched a triggerbot before, and this seems to be textbook example. watched another min of the video, it really makes no sense to go for oneshots against people that are charging your face like crazy.
didn’t expect to find myself liking the nade change but it’s growing on me in a way. After re-learning how to prime (basically 1s is the new 2s) I find I can airburst these nades more effectively and consistently, due to the larger arc and slower speed respectively. I’ll still miss my old rocket launcher nades, but these don’t feel that bad right now.