Feedback: New feature for Ranked

(emjot) #1

So I had a game, guy wih cobalt, SE card, more than 800h on dirty bomb, for the entire first round while avg. score was around 7k he had 50xp playing as Vasil on attackers, and teamkilling mostly.

I don’t want to play with him on the same team while I solo, so I have an idea -

  1. Introduce blacklist.

How would that work.
Simple as fuck, you can add player to the blacklist so you won’t end up with him never ever again on the same team.

edit:
So I had to edit this post, because some people totally missed the point.

Example:
You have been matched with someone who is trolling, teamkilling or simple - total dick/idiot.
You don’t want do play with him next time, do you? So now you can add him on your blacklist, so next time MM will look for players to form a 5 group it won’t pick the player who is on your blacklist.

Blizzard came out with this solution for RandomGroupFinder ages ago, allowing people not to be match with “ninjalooters” or trolls.

  1. Bring vote kick to ranked

  2. Fix MM, please.

(Press E) #2

As much as I would love to avoid certain toxic players, blacklists aren’t practical with how few people play DB in ranked.

My other suggestion would be to base rank around personal performance. I’ll just paste it in from another thread:

My best idea is to base your rank and ranked points more on personal performance, rather than wins or losses. For example, on a winning team, the amount you’d rank up would be based on how much of your team’s total XP you earned, with whoever earned the highest portion ranking up more. The same would go for losing. Wins and losses are still important, only now losing because of a leaver is significantly less bad.

(emjot) #3

While this is good idea towards MM and ranks, there is one crucial point missing - XP split.
It’s easy to grind XP playing as aura, but you can be excellent player as proxy, bush stopping enemies from some spots, yet u earn less XP on defending team while your actions are important to the team.

My point was not about fixing MM tho, it’s about how to survive the stupidity of this algorithm.
Seriously, out of 20 matches only 2-3 were really fun and “good”, despite the result (1 lost for sure). I like playing competitively, so if my team is good, and opposite team as on same level, let the better team win. But with current MM it’s either boring or frustrating, either we camp on thier spawn or they camp on ours.

If there is a chance I can kick/blacklist player I don’t want to play again on the same side I can live this MM as it is. I will just ban those who cannot understand simple strategy rules or those who don’t use thier brain.

Also, I don’t know why SD decided to match 3+ partes with tougher opponents, it doesn’t make any sense. I cannot win any game with newbies in party, how am I supposed to say “believe me, this is awesome game, and more balanced on ranked than on casual”. B.S. We are not a clan so don’t punish us giving lvl 16 some veterans with 800h each + while 800h is sum of 3 ppl on my team.

SteamAPI allows to count time spend in game , use that in algorithm as well (lets say 5%).

(Sorotia) #4

@STARRYSOCK said:
As much as I would love to avoid certain toxic players, blacklists aren’t practical with how few people play DB in ranked.

My other suggestion would be to base rank around personal performance. I’ll just paste it in from another thread:

My best idea is to base your rank and ranked points more on personal performance, rather than wins or losses. For example, on a winning team, the amount you’d rank up would be based on how much of your team’s total XP you earned, with whoever earned the highest portion ranking up more. The same would go for losing. Wins and losses are still important, only now losing because of a leaver is significantly less bad.

I’d honestly wait longer than play with a obvious troll that is doing nothing but wasting my time.

(FalC_16) #5

Not really a black list but rather a feature like uber taxi service. You can rate players just like you would rate your driver or he would rate you as a passenger. The more bad behaviour the easier banning ppl from ranked lul

(frostyvampire) #6

But then good players will have 30 minutes queue times

(emjot) #7

@frostyvampire said:
But then good players will have 30 minutes queue times

No. Blacklist would be private. So if you don’t add anyone to it, then nothing changes for you.

(Teflon Love) #8

@emjot said:
SteamAPI allows to count time spend in game , use that in algorithm as well (lets say 5%).

No need for Steam API and its inconsistencies, DB knows exactly how many hours you actually played and how many you did something else with the game still running.

(Artyrim) #9

Kick? Then wait for no penality and quit

(frostyvampire) #10

@emjot said:

@frostyvampire said:
But then good players will have 30 minutes queue times

No. Blacklist would be private. So if you don’t add anyone to it, then nothing changes for you.

But what if 100 people add me to their black list?

(GatoCommodore) #11

@frostyvampire said:

@emjot said:

@frostyvampire said:
But then good players will have 30 minutes queue times

No. Blacklist would be private. So if you don’t add anyone to it, then nothing changes for you.

But what if 100 people add me to their black list?

dont get into people’s bad side, dont do intentional TK because you get angry.

before blacklist system appear, there will be a need for Commendation system first to balance it out, so people who gets commended a lot wont be paired with people who got blacklisted by many people.

besides, ideal blacklist only affect the team youre on, not the opposing team. This means a team of teamkillers and afks.

in the end the game will pair blacklisted player with other blacklisted player and stay in blacklist hell matchmaking until they perform above average or getting commended.

(Nail) #12

it’s a system that ENCOURAGES abuse, ill advised idea

(neverplayseriou) #13

This must be one of the worst ideas I’ve heard in quite some time, this would literally just get people to blacklist everyone that’s good at the game so that they can get free wins against bronze players without any effort.

(emjot) #14

Please read carefully, it’s your blacklist for players you don’t want to have on your team.

I will update my post…

(emjot) #15

@neverplayseriou said:
This must be one of the worst ideas I’ve heard in quite some time, this would literally just get people to blacklist everyone that’s good at the game so that they can get free wins against bronze players without any effort.

If you blacklist good player then you won’t be playing with him on YOUR team, this good player still can be your opponent.

So blacklist will only work for players who are matched for you group not the enemies. That would be plain stupid to blacklist good players you don’t want to play against. That’s not the point. The point of blacklist is to get rid of player you don’t want to play with in the same team, blacklist stupid teammates.

(Press E) #16

I’m a medic main, and play a lot of solo queues in ranked. Usually when I see a teammate with low health and no enemies are around, I’ll just kill them and revive them with a full defib charge.
You have no idea how many times I’ve had people cuss me out for it, and of course explaining things only makes it worse.

If players could blacklist me for things like that, it would take me longer to find a match, something that already takes forever.

The only realistic solution to this is the ability to report people for toxic behavior. Ranked doesn’t support a large enough population for blacklists, especially if you’re someone who plays a lot. People get salty in ranked for a lot of reasons, and it’s usually undeserved. I’d rather have someone else be the judge of that in a report, than a bunch of blacklists preventing someone from finding a match

(neverplayseriou) #17

if I blacklist all gold 2+ players so that they can’t be on my team that would still mean I can only get matched up with a bunch of low ranks on the enemy team since I’ll only get low ranking teammates.

(emjot) #18

@neverplayseriou said:
if I blacklist all gold 2+ players so that they can’t be on my team that would still mean I can only get matched up with a bunch of low ranks on the enemy team since I’ll only get low ranking teammates.

I see where you going, you are right, but - make BL limited for let’s say 20 people or any other balanced number.

This is just an idea which can be tweaked so would rather help than be abused.

@STARRYSOCK said:
I’m a medic main, and play a lot of solo queues in ranked. Usually when I see a teammate with low health and no enemies are around, I’ll just kill them and revive them with a full defib charge.
You have no idea how many times I’ve had people cuss me out for it, and of course explaining things only makes it worse.

If players could blacklist me for things like that, it would take me longer to find a match, something that already takes forever.

I do the same when I play as medic, and I was surprised I had to explain why I did what I did, why people don’t understand it’s a lot of faster and safe to kill and revive than wait for medpack/hs.

Anyway, I don’t think I would like to be theirs medic in future :slight_smile: With all seriousness tho, I doubt people will BL for that.

(Chris Mullins) #19

@emjot Other games have tried to introduce a system like this in the past and sadly they haven’t gone down well. In theory they work great, but in practice, players blacklist players they deem to be too good to play against or are cheating. Sooner or later the top players are mostly blacklisted and find it incredibly hard to find matches. Rinse and repeat and after a month or two the feature gets removed.

Trolling is a difficult issue to resolve. Why can’t people just not be dicks? I mean, it’s our bloody catchphrase as well.

(Ptiloui) #20

But…
What @emjot said is that blacklisted people can’t be matched in YOUR team. You’ll still have to fight them if you have the same rank. So there’s absolutly no effect in blacklisting everyone. In fact, if you do so, you’ll end up playing alone or with players that are even lower in rank. Players will only harm themselves by blacklisting everyone.

I don’t see how it opens exploit here.