Execution new maps

[Rex]

… and I see that being more popular for comp that SW… there, I said it.

I lol’d… pretty sure in the future you will see thousands of active clans playing TDM competitively hahaha…

The sour grapes some people have towards the original game mode is just severely off putting.

[k0k0nat]

This is why I said in my opinion

played it a few times. dont like it.

The reason why I am here is/was “NEW ET” => objective mode. Like most of the players. I dont know why SD puts effort into execution when the main-mode is still not fun.

[Rex]

[QUOTE=k0k0nat;491932]
The reason why I am here is/was “NEW ET” => objective mode. Like most of the players. I dont know why SD puts effort into execution when the main-mode is still not fun.[/QUOTE]

+1 for that!

[Glottis-3D]

modes a-la execution(team elimination) can be fun for me only in the sense of ClanArena from quake. with a LOT of health+armor+rocketjumps because there is emourous TTK like minutes-long TTK.

In Extraction the only exitment for me comes from SW mode or OBJ mode (to lesser extent). I play OBJ server more often, because maps are horrible (exept for whitechapel and LB-alt, which are located on different servers) - so less time spending on bad maps. =)

I would play TDM with medpacks on the ground and power-ups. i.e. I realy would give PROPER TDM-mode a try.

[DarkangelUK]

[QUOTE=Rex;491931]I lol’d… pretty sure in the future you will see thousands of active clans playing TDM competitively hahaha…

The sour grapes some people have towards the original game mode is just severely off putting.[/QUOTE]
Like the already thousands you see playing those gametypes, when there’s relatively none playing objective based game modes? Hey, we have one RtCW match per week, that counts, right? Right?! Yup indeed. Execution caters towards the current popular, high volume game modes, it’s this that will bring players into Extraction and then hopefully migrate them to the ET style play. You guys are a niche, you’re a niche of a niche, insignificant at the moment, but rather than accept that and think of ways to bring new blood in you just fight against it and in your usual ****ty way.

Also, what sour grapes towards the original game mode? As far as I see it, the biggest so called fans of it are the biggest assholes at giving feedback… probably why half the suggestions are ignored purely because people are being dicks about it.

+1 for that!

Urgh, cheerleaders ¬_¬

[QUOTE=k0k0nat;491932]This is why I said in my opinion

played it a few times. dont like it.

The reason why I am here is/was “NEW ET” => objective mode. Like most of the players. I dont know why SD puts effort into execution when the main-mode is still not fun.[/QUOTE]
Are we back to assuming that putting effort into one thing automatically takes effort away from another? Your reason for being here doesn’t automatically define SD’s direction that they’re taking with the game design, and if you haven’t grasped that this isn’t ‘NEW ET’ by now then you’re in for a big shock mate.

[Glottis-3D]

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;491939]Like the already thousands you see playing those gametypes, when there’s relatively none playing objective based game modes? Hey, we have one RtCW match per week, that counts, right? Right?! Yup indeed. Execution caters towards the current popular, high volume game modes, it’s this that will bring players into Extraction and then hopefully migrate them to the ET style play. You guys are a niche, you’re a niche of a niche, insignificant at the moment, but rather than accept that and think of ways to bring new blood in you just fight against it and in your usual ****ty way.
[/QUOTE]
This goes both ways. The CS-guys (which we did have in RU-version) whined about NO proper seek&destroy mode. Saying without this mode the game IS dead competitively.
They are as niche as you say ET-guys are.
So i think it is either our way, or their way. I realy hope that it is our way. i aint gonna play a single Execution cup. The SW/OBJ mode is not played because of mistakes, that were done by devs on several stages. - maps, classless obj, spread. Not because of mode itself.

[attack]

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;491939] You guys are a niche, you’re a niche of a niche, insignificant at the moment, but rather than accept that and think of ways to bring new blood in you just fight against it and in your usual ****ty way.

[/QUOTE]
if that is niche than idk.
SW is what a sd game does special.
have ever valve thought about throw the cs modes?
sw modes are the best modes for teamplay and competition.
this game will never be succesfull with using modes from other games as main modes.
nobody would care about a freetoplay clone of existing games!!! there are games out there which are famous for this kind of modes already and there are games like codwhich have implemented every
mode,but none very good.if you try to compete with the big names with big fanbases on their own marked
than this game will fail.

[DarkangelUK]

[QUOTE=krokodealer;491941]This goes both ways. The CS-guys (which we did have in RU-version) whined about NO proper seek&destroy mode. Saying without this mode the game IS dead competitively. They are as niche as you say ET-guys are.
So i think it is either our way, or their way. I realy hope that it is our way. i aint gonna play a single Execution cup. The SW/OBJ mode is not played because of mistakes, that were done by devs on several stages. - maps, classless obj, spread. Not because of mode itself.[/QUOTE]

I want more modes, the choice for both, the hardcore guys from each end that just want one mode is just pigheaded nonsense and complete lack of being able to look at the bigger picture. As for the CS guys being a niche… uh… steam stats say otherwise. It’s been said from the beginning, aiming purely for the ET/ETQW crowd is financial suicide for SD, hence the Dota style merc system, more game modes etc. I don’t care how loud these fans are, there aren’t enough to keep the game or the company afloat, and throwing a strop about it won’t change anything.

It doesn’t have to be ‘our way or their way’, that’s the whole point, both can exist and both need to exist… in fact I think it was one person that added Execution in his own time. This is the pigheadedness I’m talking about, and the reason I want a more diverse crowd in here

[DarkangelUK]

if that is niche than idk.

RtCW, ET, ETQW, Brink… all low population games with very few players where each iteration has yielded a lower and lower shelf life = niche.

SW is what a sd game does special.

Times have changed, remove your head from 8 years ago and come to the present day, what worked back then isn’t working now, wake up

have ever valve thought about throw the cs modes?

Sorry no idea what this means

sw modes are the best modes for teamplay and competition.

According to you, but it’s not you that needs convincing, and being an elitist nobhead and telling people ‘this is the best mode for teamplay and comp’ won’t bring people in, it’ll turn them off, so you need a way to attract new players. There are plenty of stats that say your statement is false and the masses are playing other game modes, modes much older than objective. It’s this attitude that caused ET to fade and die, the community are just assholes and this elitist attitude towards other groups preference stunts growth. Stop thinking like a gamer and start thinking like a dev.

this game will never be succesfull with using modes from other games as main modes.

Get your head out of the clouds, the game will absolutely fail if it sticks to purely OBJ/SW, that’s a completely ignorant statement.

nobody would care about a freetoplay clone of existing games!!! there are games out there which are famous for this kind of modes already and there are games like codwhich have implemented every
mode,but none very good.if you try to compete with the big names with big fanbases on their own marked
than this game will fail.

You don’t care so = nobody cares, yeah ok dude. So pre tell, how are you going to attract new players away from their favourite game to a mode that no one plays and you have no way of enticing them into? Call them faggots and tell them real pros play objective? If that is actually your idea then it’s probably the best one you’ve had so far, because simply catering to a small hardcore following is dev suicide… happily I know SD aren’t that stupid and won’t do it.

[k0k0nat]

Times have changed, remove your head from 8 years ago and come to the present day, what worked back then isn’t working now, wake up

Sorry but thats nonsense.

SW/Objective doesnt work atm, because the maps are just bad and all other parameters like performance, movement etc. need major improvements.

Its like playing Counter Strike with 30FPS and massive FPS drops, no option to cancel bomb defuses, lags if someone throws a nade, wobbly movement and misplaced recoil/spread. Nobody would play it.

B2T: Good looking maps, now take that effort and put it into making new sw/obj. maps!

[DarkangelUK]

[QUOTE=k0k0nat;491950]Sorry but thats nonsense.

SW/Objective doesnt work atm, because the maps are just bad and all other parameters like performance, movement etc. need major improvements.

Take Titanfall: No revolutionary new game-mode, but everything is solid -> works.[/QUOTE]

Dude, seriously, bigger picture. Name one popular, active and currently played objective based game right now. Name one in the past couple years. Each version released has lost players and momentum, and the fact Brink had that one game mode and soured a lot of peoples tastes for it have only made matters worse. Getting the maps etc. right is only half the battle, the other half is getting people here in the first place and that will not happen with one game mode, it just won’t.

As for the titanfall comment… wow you’re really struggling to grasp this. Yeah, everyone loves Titanfall for the game modes ¬_¬

[Rex]

Like the already thousands you see playing those gametypes, when there’s relatively none playing objective based game modes? Hey, we have one RtCW match per week, that counts, right? Right?! Yup indeed. Execution caters towards the current popular, high volume game modes, it’s this that will bring players into Extraction and then hopefully migrate them to the ET style play. You guys are a niche, you’re a niche of a niche, insignificant at the moment, but rather than accept that and think of ways to bring new blood in you just fight against it and in your usual ****ty way.

Sorry, which game out there gets played competitively TDM like Execution?
TDM mode won’t bring players into this game, neither it migrates the crowd. Why should they come to Xt for something which they’ve already seen thounds of times? They could just stay in their game which are doing it already better. That’s the thing.
Believe it or not, but there are players out there that are fed up with the current ‘modern generic FPS’ and are searching for something new and exciting to settle down.
I’ve already met plenty of people who are desperately searching for an alternative, but there is simply none yet.
People want to play Xt because it offers something new which they haven’t experienced in their past yet and the game heading towards another direction as other games do. In addition for the competitive aspects this game could offer.

You are also a niche, in fact a niche of a niche with Execution when I take a look at the players who care about it in this community.
I see no reason to accept your nonsense, I rather bring new blood in for the competitive mode which gets acutally played later. (Wanna bet? )

As far as I see it, the biggest so called fans of it are the biggest assholes at giving feedback… probably why half the suggestions are ignored purely because people are being dicks about it.

I totally agree!

Urgh, cheerleaders ¬_¬

U mad?

… , and if you haven’t grasped that this isn’t ‘NEW ET’ by now then you’re in for a big shock mate.

Big shock indeed, this statement coming from the ‘magic quote’ man. But glad you realized this now.

So i think it is either our way, or their way. I realy hope that it is our way. i aint gonna play a single Execution cup. The SW/OBJ mode is not played because of mistakes, that were done by devs on several stages. - maps, classless obj, spread. Not because of mode itself.

Don’t worry that won’t happen anyway, except in dark fun clan corner.

[Anti]

[QUOTE=Rex;491952]Sorry, which game out there gets played competitively TDM like Execution?
TDM mode won’t bring players into this game, neither it migrates the crowd. Why should they come to Xt for something which they’ve already seen thounds of times? They could just stay in their game which are doing it already better. That’s the thing.
Believe it or not, but there are players out there that are fed up with the current ‘modern generic FPS’ and are searching for something new and exciting to settle down.
I’ve already met plenty of people who are desperately searching for an alternative, but there is simply none yet.
People want to play Xt because it offers something new which they haven’t experienced in their past yet and the game heading towards another direction as other games do. In addition for the competitive aspects this game could offer.

You are also a niche, in fact a niche of a niche with Execution when I take a look at the players who care about it in this community.
I see no reason to accept your nonsense, I rather bring new blood in for the competitive mode which gets acutally played later. (Wanna bet? )

I totally agree!

U mad?

Big shock indeed, this statement coming from the ‘magic quote’ man. But glad you realized this now.

Don’t worry that won’t happen anyway, except in dark fun clan corner.[/QUOTE]

Anecdotal evidence is also the best kind of evidence! :rolleyes:

[DarkangelUK]

[QUOTE=Rex;491952]Sorry, which game out there gets played competitively TDM like Execution?
TDM mode won’t bring players into this game, neither it migrates the crowd. Why should they come to Xt for something which they’ve already seen thounds of times?
[/quote]There are thousands of games that have Execution mode like Xt with classes? Wow, let me look at all of those that don’t exist.

They could just stay in their game which are doing it already better. That’s the thing.

Lets just stop now, other games do it better and on one wants to play objective. Right SD, cancel the project.

Believe it or not, but there are players out there that are fed up with the current ‘modern generic FPS’ and are searching for something new and exciting to settle down.
Hence Dota style mercs, classes and Execution, something different… but wait, you said people want the same objective mode which SD are good at… wait, what is it you want? I don’t think you know.

I’ve already met plenty of people who are desperately searching for an alternative, but there is simply none yet.
Why haven’t you given them all those keys you had to offer? If you have, where are they?

People want to play Xt because it offers something new which they haven’t experienced in their past yet and the game heading towards another direction as other games do. In addition for the competitive aspects this game could offer.
You’re talking here like I said get rid of objective, i said include both (which is gonna happen btw, and no amount of pro-tears will stop that). Am i right in thinking you didn’t play comp in RtCW or ET? Just curious.

You are also a niche, in fact a niche of a niche with Execution when I take a look at the players who care about it in this community.
I see no reason to accept your nonsense, I rather bring new blood in for the competitive mode which gets acutally played later. (Wanna bet? )

Which niche would that be? I can’t wait for this explanation, I love it when you dig yourself into holes then don’t know how to get out again… out of all the people I put in their place, watching you squirm is the most satisfying. I know your answer btw, and I also know my reply will destroy it when you inevitably post it.

I totally agree!

Yup, plenty assholes

U mad?

Happy actually, nothing sadder and more shallow than someone that can’t input on their own and can only Google+ a reply… cheerleaders, schoolgirls

Big shock indeed, this statement coming from the ‘magic quote’ man. But glad you realized this now.

Guess they thought my input was more worthy than yours, at least my name will be remembered for something

Don’t worry that won’t happen anyway, except in dark fun clan corner.

Oh I wont be in a clan, far more important things to do.

At the end of the day, you’re not stopping any of this, it’s happening and will continue to happen whether you like it or not… I revel in your tears.

[Glottis-3D]

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;491945]I want more modes, the choice for both, the hardcore guys from each end that just want one mode is just pigheaded nonsense and complete lack of being able to look at the bigger picture. As for the CS guys being a niche… uh… steam stats say otherwise. It’s been said from the beginning, aiming purely for the ET/ETQW crowd is financial suicide for SD, hence the Dota style merc system, more game modes etc. I don’t care how loud these fans are, there aren’t enough to keep the game or the company afloat, and throwing a strop about it won’t change anything.

It doesn’t have to be ‘our way or their way’, that’s the whole point, both can exist and both need to exist… in fact I think it was one person that added Execution in his own time. This is the pigheadedness I’m talking about, and the reason I want a more diverse crowd in here[/QUOTE]
i like diversity to a certain extent.
but that is not the problem at the moment. the game being far from good is the problem. and all modes will suffer from this problem.
When th movement/lags/pfs/gunplay is fixed. then there is room for more modes and even more mode. thats how i see it.

[k0k0nat]

A great, competitive playerbase = $$$ revenues $$$
Stopwatch = A great comp. game mode

This is why CS:GO, Dota2, SC2 and LoL are cash cows.

Only stupid publishers like EA (which operate in the red) rather try to “steal” money from their users with stupid DLC instead of good competitive framework.
Just watch how many players in LoL are running around with fan-skins or buy them because their favourite player has them.

[Kendle]

I’ll throw this in again cos I’m sure I already have …

In 2007 a game called Urban Terror, which had till then been a Quake3 mod, became standalone (using the free ioQuake engine). At the time it was played TS (Team Survivor, basically exactly the same as Execution). A group of people attempted to revive CTF (it’s other main game mode) and were reasonably successful in doing so. From only a few clans in 2007 there are now 100’s, but, CTF is falling out of favour again, TS is once again the main competitive game mode.

Why? The reason is TS is simple to play, can be played with any number of players (there are ladders for 2-v-2 up to 5-v-5), you can grab a couple of friends, spam for a scrim on IRC and be on server playing in minutes, with however many players you happen to have available. It’s a game mode that’s pure team-work, no specific tactics / routes / defensive positions to learn, you just have to know how to stick together and cover each other, when to rush and when not to, and react to what the other team are doing. It’s simple “learn by doing”.

Objective on the other hand is hours on a private server working out positions, routes, set plays, class balance, which in turn implies set numbers per team, which in turn means if you have 4 you don’t play cos the games on offer are 5-v-5 etc.

I agree with DA, I suspect Execution will be very popular in competition, and if XT went to market with just Obj it’d be as dead as Brink, possibly almost as quickly.

[Anti]

[QUOTE=k0k0nat;491956]A great, competitive playerbase = $$$ revenues $$$
Stopwatch = A great comp. game mode

This is why CS:GO, Dota2, SC2 and LoL are cash cows.

Only stupid publishers like EA (which operate in the red) rather try to “steal” money from their users with stupid DLC instead of good competitive framework.
Just watch how many players in LoL are running around with fan-skins or buy them because their favourite player has them.[/QUOTE]

Great competitive player bases tend to emerge from the greatest and most popular games, there needs to be a large grassroots community with an interest in competitive play to support a competitive scene and something like esports. Nobody would deny QL is a great competitive game but I can easily imagine it is not a ‘cash cow’ and not that popular in today’s market.

What we need to do with XT is strike a balance. Provide variety and excitement for all players, provide features and mechanics that support replayability and growth of skill and make it all run very smoothly.

That is what we’re hoping to do, so we can have a game with a strong community that can support a strong competitive scene. Neither are really likely to exist without the other.

I’m closing this thread now as it’s become too personal and a bit too bitchy, nothing positive is coming out of it and we’d much rather attentions were focused on valuable and insightful feedback rather than people quarreling about others’ opinions.

Be nice people