No CM… Punk, I did not say rampant. And PB is a great thing. Is it perfect? Certainly not. I know that you badly want to twist my words and insult me all that you can, but I understand why, so it’s not a bother.
Evenbalance gone mad
Kendle
(Kendle)
#62
This is what Evenbalance have to say about pb_security
PB_Security [0=no, 1=yes]
When set to 0, PunkBuster will accept all “update” files without verifying that they are authentic; the default is 1 which should not normally be changed except for LAN environments where there is no Internet Access and/or you fully trust the Servers you are connecting to
So basically, for anyone reading this and tempted to try this “solution”, and indeed as a general rule for the future, DON’T FOLLOW IRON_MAN’s ADVICE. He’s obviously a Troll who’s mission is to spread FUD in the ET community (see his previous inane ramblings about cheating, and all the other things he’s been completely wrong about). It could be of course that he’s simply an idiot, but I suspect he’s actually a true Troll and as such is best ignored.
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#63
Kendle,
The suggestion to use the command seta pb_security “0” to temporarily allow me to join servers whos lamer admins have not or will not update their PB was suggested to me by EvenBalance in an email I got from them last week. It will prevent someone from getting “Server is running an older version of PunkBuster” messages, and then kicked for incompatability.
EvenBalance went on to say that they are working on a fix for a coming release of PB. If you have a problem with this temporary solution, take it up with EvenBalance, since it was their suggestion. You see Kendle, EvenBalance suggested this as a temporary fix because they are aware of the current problem of so many admins not updating PB. They would not expect anyone to leave PB security dissabled permanently. :lol:
It may be possible that version 1.082 (now available) will prevent the need for dissabling PB security temporarily. But this may also depend on the server’s settings. It does not hurt to temporarily dissable PB security while waiting for thie update, as they suggested. However, it is a “maintenance release” as they state, and as such is only interum untill a future release provides better solutions to this and similar problems.
Again we see Kendle’s eagerness to blatter hatefully at someone moves much faster than his brain. :uhoh:
From thier website:
Sunday 05.30.2004 [11:30PM]
Version 1.082 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page.
Release Notes for PB Client v1.082:
fixes bug with v1.081 released earlier today that was causing players to get kicked
starting with this version 1.082, the PB Client now requires the game to be run as the administrator user or equivalent under Windows XP/2K
When I posted their suggestion, I said:
“The problem is a temporary one, so says EvenBalance on their site.”
Kendle, look carefully. You will see the word temporary. Again we see Kendle’s eagerness to blatter hatefully at someone moves much faster than his brain. 
Kendle
(Kendle)
#64
Your snippet from the Evenbalance webby has nothing to do with SERVER updates, neither has this thread.
The warning about the server running an old version is only displayed to players ONCE, and they’re NOT kicked for it. There’s no need to EVER set pb_security to 0 and you DON’T need to do so in order to join or play on servers running an old version of the SERVER software. My Clan’s server never auto-updates (something to do with our hosts Firewall set-up, so I’m told). I update it manually with pbweb. Having an old version of the PB server software on our server has never prevented anyone from playing on it with pb_security 1.
If you have an email from Evenbalance stating otherwise (which I seriously doubt) then post it here, including the mail headers.
IRON_MAN, do you even play ET?
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#65
"Sunday 05.30.2004 [11:30PM]
Version 1.082 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page.
Release Notes for PB Client v1.082:
fixes bug with v1.081 released earlier today that was causing players to get kicked "
That’s from the EvenBlance site, which I already posted for you Kendle. Did you read it Kendle? Do you see where it says "causing player to get kicked?
And this from their FAQ:
"Why does PB spam “PB Server running Old Version” on some servers and how do I make it stop?
Some PB Server admins are not able or willing to fix their firewall so that their PunkBuster server can keep itself always auto-updated to the latest version. Therefore, when a new PB update comes out, their server(s) will continue running the old version until updated manually. When players join a PB Server that is running an old version, that old PB will try to ‘downgrade’ each player’s PB to match the old version running at that server and the “PB Server running Old Version” message is generated every few seconds during this process. We encourage players to avoid servers like this as PB often does not work efficiently nor catch the latest cheats when old versions are running. If the attempts to ‘downgrade’ your PB fail, then you will be kicked. If you trust the server admin, you can enter “/pb_security 0” into your console to allow your PB to be downgraded. If you know how to get in touch with the admin, please let him/her know of the problems caused by not having a properly functioning / auto-updating PB Server."
And this also from their FAQ:
"I keep getting kicked off of servers and I see messages about technical errors for pbcl.dll or pbag.dll, or messages about DISTRESS or Update timeout … what is wrong?
These problems are almost always caused when your PunkBuster can’t keep itself updated for some reason. Sometimes they are caused when the server you are trying to play on is running an old version of PunkBuster. If this happens to you on every PB server you try to play on, then please click here for help on getting your PunkBuster updated. If this problem happens only on one or a few PB Servers, then the cause is most likely that those servers are outdated; in that case, you should avoid those servers. If you must play on these servers enter “/pb_security 0” at the game console - this will make the PB Client disable security checks for the (old) update. Do this only on PB Servers you trust. "
I’m trying to be nice Kendle. I really am. Why don’t you also try to be nice? Once more Kendle, EvenBalance’s suggestion of dissabling PB security was a temporary measure to prevent players from getting KICKED because a server is running an older version of PB.
Again we see Kendle’s mouth moves much faster than his brain.
Kendle
(Kendle)
#66
Of course, but you said pb_security 0 would cure it. It doesn’t. It was a bug with the client. If you joined a server with the latest version of PB (at the time), you’d get kicked regardless of your pb_security setting because of this bug. Besides, quote it as many times as you like and it’s still irrelevant to this thread and still nothing to do with your pb_security setting.
I can only assume a copy / paste from the RTCW FAQ (note the question: How do I set up my PunkBuster server to allow GTV clients? even though there’s no GTV client for ET) because that DOES NOT HAPPEN. The message is displayed only once and you are NOT kicked for it. I ask again, do you actually play ET IRON_MAN?
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#67
Kendle, the quotes I posted are from EvenBalance’s ET FAQ.
“Frequently Asked Questions about PunkBuster for Enemy Territory”
http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=faq-et.php
I know you think you know more about PB than the company that makes it (EvenBalance), but Kendle, you don’t. You just don’t.
Again we see Kendle’s mouth moves much faster than his brain.
Kendle
(Kendle)
#68
I know they are, but:-
Again, do you play ET? And please post this email you claim to have received, complete with headers.
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#69
Kendle, the quotes I posted are from EvenBalance’s ET FAQ.
“Frequently Asked Questions about PunkBuster for Enemy Territory”
http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=faq-et.php
I know you think you know more about PB than the company that makes it (EvenBalance), but Kendle, you don’t. You just don’t.
Yet again, wgain we see Kendle’s mouth moves much faster than his brain.
Kendle
(Kendle)
#70
Never said I did, but:-
That’s a statement of fact, not opinion. I don’t know more about PB than it’s authors, but I do know what happens when I join my own Clan’s server after my client’s been updated but the server hasn’t, and I know a blatently copy / pasted, out of date, inaccurate web page when I see one 
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#71
Kendle, I understand that the idea of being proven that you are wrong about something rotts in your veins, but you just have to deal with it kiddo. You have been given the words of EvenBalance.
Look at the date and time Kendle. Do you see it? Yes you see it. Why do people have to lead you areound by the hand and point to things like you are a toddler? Oh I know. It’s because you are obstinant! I forgot. See the date? I bolded it for you. See it? See it’s bolded? That’s on EvenBalance’s site as we speak. Go read it. I have already posted this for you 3 times Kendle. Read it this time.
"Sunday 05.30.2004 [11:30PM]
Version 1.082 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page.
Release Notes for PB Client v1.082:
fixes bug with v1.081 released earlier today that was causing players to get kicked "
Yet once more, we see Kendle’s mouth moves much faster than his brain.
Kendle
(Kendle)
#72
See all posts above, all your arguments already refuted. Carry on repeating yourself if you must. 
Although perhaps you’d like to explain how the date mentioned on this page:-
http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=support-et.php
proves that the information contained on this completely separate and different page:-
http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=faq-et.php
is not out of date?
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#74
I have no argument, but you seem to be arguing with EvenBalance. This is exaclty why they got rid of their forums, as they said, it was “because so much false information was being posted on them.”
You can find that on their site too, Kendle. lol
Cheers
Kendle
(Kendle)
#75
Bani, bored at work today so don’t mind being sucked in. I just like to see IRON_MAN squirm. He’s tenacious, but invariably falls over as soon as the facts emerge, hence his need to kept re-quoting the same irrelevant snippet time after time. You’d have thought he’d try an argument, or at the very least answer the questions posed of him, but then that wouldn’t be the actions of a true Troll.
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#76
So Kendle, you are saying that EvenBalance posted flase information on their site when they said
“When players join a PB Server that is running an old version, that old PB will try to ‘downgrade’ each player’s PB to match the old version running at that server and the “PB Server running Old Version” message is generated every few seconds during this process. We encourage players to avoid servers like this as PB often does not work efficiently nor catch the latest cheats when old versions are running. If the attempts to ‘downgrade’ your PB fail, then you will be kicked. If you trust the server admin, you can enter “/pb_security 0” into your console to allow your PB to be downgraded.”
…or when they posted a few days ago pn their site:
"Sunday 05.30.2004 [11:30PM]
Version 1.082 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page.
Release Notes for PB Client v1.082:
fixes bug with v1.081 released earlier today that was causing players to get kicked "
Is that what you are saying? Are you saying that EvenBalance is wrong about their own software when they posted that a few days ago? That is what you seem to be sating.
Are these the “facts” that you are referring to? Let’s get it out in the open. Are you saying that this information provided by EvenBalance a few days ago is false? Answer the question Kendle.
:lol: I DIDN"T THINK YOU WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. hehe
Kendle
(Kendle)
#77
No I’m not. I’m saying the paragraph
Some PB Server admins are not able or willing to fix their firewall so that their PunkBuster server can keep itself always auto-updated to the latest version. Therefore, when a new PB update comes out, their server(s) will continue running the old version until updated manually. When players join a PB Server that is running an old version, that old PB will try to ‘downgrade’ each player’s PB to match the old version running at that server and the “PB Server running Old Version” message is generated every few seconds during this process. We encourage players to avoid servers like this as PB often does not work efficiently nor catch the latest cheats when old versions are running. If the attempts to ‘downgrade’ your PB fail, then you will be kicked. If you trust the server admin, you can enter “/pb_security 0” into your console to allow your PB to be downgraded. If you know how to get in touch with the admin, please let him/her know of the problems caused by not having a properly functioning / auto-updating PB Server.
appears to be a copy / paste from the RTCW page and / or was correct when it was posted but it isn’t entirely correct now (I know for a FACT it isn’t correct now because you CAN connect to a server running an old version, see this message, and NOT get kicked, happens to my Clan all the time on our server).
I’m also pointing out that the date you keep mentioning does NOT refer to that page or that paragraph, it refers to a different page, so that information wasn’t necessarily posted a few days ago. The second snippet in your post above (about the bug) was posted a few days ago and I’m not, and never have, disputed it (although it’s irrelevant to this thread and your argument, so I don’t know why you keep repeating it).
So, to summarise:-
The first snippet, about the message, wasn’t posted a few days ago, and isn’t correct. I know this not because I’m cleverer than Evenbalance or know more about their software than they do. I know this simply because, as I’ve now said for the 3rd of 4th time “you CAN connect to a server running an old version, see this message, and NOT get kicked”. That’s the FACT I’m refering to.
The 2nd snippet, about the bug, was posted a few days ago, and is correct.
Clear?
_IRON_MAN
(_IRON_MAN_)
#78
You keep saying PB will not kick someone for server/player incompatability. But EvenBalance says the opposite. One of your problems, is that you are ignorant to all of those who have been getting kicked recently, so like a dork, you assume nobody is getting kicked.
"Sunday 05.30.2004 [11:30PM]
Version 1.082 of the PB Client for ET has been released to our PB Master Servers for auto-update and to our website download page.
Release Notes for PB Client v1.082:
fixes bug with v1.081 released earlier today that was causing players to get kicked "
I gave you the URL to the page kiddo, from thier ET FAQ too. Now be a nice little discussion loser. Your obstinance is silly. I know that you know that I was right all along. So you can post what you like. yuk yuk yuk!
Later Kendle. Don’t tell your friends about this. If they see these posts they’re going to think you were a dumbazz for it.
Kendle
(Kendle)
#79
I admire your persistance IRON_MAN, I really do. You keep quoting a snippet that’s irrelevant to the matter at hand. Why? Ignorance, or sheer bloody-mindedness?
If I, and my Clan-mates, and teams we play, don’t get kicked from our server when it’s version of PB is out of date, that would be a pretty good basis for believing the paragraph in question on the Evenbalance site is not entirely correct, wouldn’t you say? Or are you accusing me, and my Clan-mates, and all the Clans we play, and all the people that visit the server when it’s public for that matter, of lying?
Now that’s a bit lame, you normally tell me you’ve “squished” me or something when you finally concede the argument. You’re not as good a loser as you once were 
