@Lord_Coctus said:
Its best when you shoot it out of the sky with your tiny 80 hp medic sniper and kill her in the process.
I’ve had a few times where I’ve shot their rocket instantly as it leaves their gun. Doesn’t happen as often as I thought it would though. Funny as hell though
Oof, this poll was not handled well judging by the amount of salt going through it currently. I think the question should’ve been:
Does Javelin need to be tweaked?
Or
Is Javelin fine as she is?
I honestly don’t mind fighting her at the moment. It provides a decent challenge.
Pro tip: speedy mercs are strong against her, able to dodge rockets and sneak up on her with a well placed melee attack or shotgun. A good Phantom can ruin her day too
@Bluesquid0630 said:
Oof, this poll was not handled well judging by the amount of salt going through it currently. I think the question should’ve been:Does Javelin need to be tweaked?
Or
Is Javelin fine as she is?I honestly don’t mind fighting her at the moment. It provides a decent challenge.
Pro tip: speedy mercs are strong against her, able to dodge rockets and sneak up on her with a well placed melee attack or shotgun. A good Phantom can ruin her day too
The point wasn’t to get opinions whether she is overpowered or not. It was to see if she benefits the game as a whole. The point of videogames is to be entertaining. If something is added to the game that makes it less enjoyable for the majority, then something should be done to fix it. People could be under the opinion that she is overpowered, but still fine to play against or vise versa.
People keep saying the poll is rigged without an neutral option, but that doesn’t give any information to what is being asked. Without that option it pushes people to actually give an answer that the question is asking for. If someone doesn’t like that then they don’t have to vote. Simple.
Shes just too good. Way easy to use low risk high reward unless you are stupid enough to kill yourself with it. Easy multikills with almost no time to react to the rocket.
So what are other airstrike mercs position now after Javelin? If they plan to destroy/kill big piles, their airstrikes indicate it early and not like Javelin no time to react and unpredictable if you dont see her. And even with a shorter cooldown than Skyhammers and Kiras airstrike that just makes it worse.
Not saying Kiras and Skyhammers cooldown should be shorter.
Same goes for Fragger and Thunder clearing out those nests, its just better to use Javelin and blow them out with ease.
@scrub_lord so what your basically saying is that the poll is biased enough to force people
to give non-true answers.
I think she’s fun to play and counter, yeah. Not subscribing to the idea that she’s overpowered yet. She’s new and there are usually 4-6 in every lobby. 4-6 Thunders would make people rage, 4-6 Kiras, Fraggers, Rhinos, Naders, and so on would also make people rage. Just give it some time, guys. If she is eventually nerfed, however, I could see them slightly increasing the cooldown rate, slightly reducing the rocket velocity in standard fire mode, or adding some sort of visual or audio charging sound so players have an extra second to anticipate an incoming rocket. As for not requiring any skill? Eh. The BR and Dreiss aren’t exactly noob friendly weapons and being able to fire one rocket every 30-45 seconds isn’t game breaking to me.
@SteelMailbox said:
She can literally kill you in one second.
Literally any merc can kill any other merc in one second
@hurgya said:
@SteelMailbox said:
She can literally kill you in one second.Literally any merc can kill any other merc in one second
Indeed but I was vague, she can kill you in one second without firing a bullet.
@Szakalot said:
@scrub_lord so what your basically saying is that the poll is biased enough to force people
to give non-true answers.
Please explain how it is biased
@scrub_lord You’re literally dismissing people who consider her to be “just another merc,” which doesn’t makes the game more or less fun on her own when she’s on the opposing team, and explicitly saying you did so to force people to either make an inaccurate vote or to not vote.
@BloodySin said:
@scrub_lord You’re literally dismissing people who consider her to be “just another merc,” which doesn’t makes the game more or less fun on her own when she’s on the opposing team, and explicitly saying you did so to force people to either make an inaccurate vote or to not vote.
The poll isn’t to get people’s opinion on whether they think she is “just another merc” and quite frankly everyone should have an opinion as to what is or isn’t enjoyable to play against. That’s the entire point to playing the game in the first place. This is why having a neutral option doesn’t make any sense. If someone isn’t going to give their opinion, then why bother clicking on the thread in the first place? It’s useless information to what is being asked for the thousandth time.
And if people are going to give an “inaccurate vote” then what leads you guys to believe it’s steering them towards the No option?
I guarantee you if I were to make this same poll for Sawbonez instead, nobody would be throwing a fit about the lack of a 3rd option. Wonder why that is… 
For the moment it ain’t fun because of the sheer amount of Javs in servers. In most of my 6v6 games, the opposing team had 3-4 of them. 3-4 rockets raining down on your team every 30 seconds. It gets annoying, but again, it’s the novelty. People are gonna want to test her out.
Once the hype dies down, it’ll be tolerable, like Nader. But I still have a few gripes about Javelin. The “fire and forget” rocket is still a bit too fast. You do not have the time to avoid. The animation for charging isn’t very obvious, and by the time it fires, you will not get out in time (unless bad aim). One second to realise a rocket is being fired, to react and execute a dodge isn’t enough. Now I’m not saying make it TF2 kind of slow, but its speed just doesn’t give anyone a chance. It’s at the point where if I’m at range from a Javelin, I just don’t want to fight her, I just go in another direction.
@scrub_lord said:
The poll isn’t to get people’s opinion on whether they think she is “just another merc” and quite frankly everyone should have an opinion as to what is or isn’t enjoyable to play against. That’s the entire point to playing the game in the first place. This is why having a neutral option doesn’t make any sense. If someone isn’t going to give their opinion, then why bother clicking on the thread in the first place? It’s useless information to what is being asked for the thousandth time.
And that’s exactly why it’s biased: it’s only about what you consider valid options, not about the actual valid options.
@BloodySin said:
@scrub_lord said:
The poll isn’t to get people’s opinion on whether they think she is “just another merc” and quite frankly everyone should have an opinion as to what is or isn’t enjoyable to play against. That’s the entire point to playing the game in the first place. This is why having a neutral option doesn’t make any sense. If someone isn’t going to give their opinion, then why bother clicking on the thread in the first place? It’s useless information to what is being asked for the thousandth time.And that’s exactly why it’s biased: it’s only about what you consider valid options, not about the actual valid options.
That doesn’t make it biased. It simply means that I don’t care if people don’t have an opinion about her or don’t want to give their opinion. I gave a yes or no question. I want a yes or no answer. Why are you pretending that it’s more than that?
Lol?
Loaded question…
who finds it fun to play against any merc? Any merc can kill you easily…any merc can escape you except maybe rhino…
@scrub_lord said:
@BloodySin said:
@scrub_lord said:
The poll isn’t to get people’s opinion on whether they think she is “just another merc” and quite frankly everyone should have an opinion as to what is or isn’t enjoyable to play against. That’s the entire point to playing the game in the first place. This is why having a neutral option doesn’t make any sense. If someone isn’t going to give their opinion, then why bother clicking on the thread in the first place? It’s useless information to what is being asked for the thousandth time.And that’s exactly why it’s biased: it’s only about what you consider valid options, not about the actual valid options.
That doesn’t make it biased. It simply means that I don’t care if people don’t have an opinion about her or don’t want to give their opinion. I gave a yes or no question. I want a yes or no answer. Why are you pretending that it’s more than that?
Lol?
No, you don’t want opinions, opinions are not a simple yes or no. And they don’t fit your narrative of “everyone hates fighting Javelin”.
@Sorotia said:
Loaded question…who finds it fun to play against any merc? Any merc can kill you easily…any merc can escape you except maybe rhino…
I think you’re misinterpreting the question.
I would hope people who enjoy the game would find some of the mercs fun to play against.
@watsyurdeal said:
@scrub_lord said:
@BloodySin said:
@scrub_lord said:
The poll isn’t to get people’s opinion on whether they think she is “just another merc” and quite frankly everyone should have an opinion as to what is or isn’t enjoyable to play against. That’s the entire point to playing the game in the first place. This is why having a neutral option doesn’t make any sense. If someone isn’t going to give their opinion, then why bother clicking on the thread in the first place? It’s useless information to what is being asked for the thousandth time.And that’s exactly why it’s biased: it’s only about what you consider valid options, not about the actual valid options.
That doesn’t make it biased. It simply means that I don’t care if people don’t have an opinion about her or don’t want to give their opinion. I gave a yes or no question. I want a yes or no answer. Why are you pretending that it’s more than that?
Lol?
No, you don’t want opinions, opinions are not a simple yes or no. And they don’t fit your narrative of “everyone hates fighting Javelin”.
I’m pretty sure I gave the opposing viewpoint that option in the poll. Right? I think people even chose it too!
As good as she is, I’ve found plenty of reasonable counters to her most annoying things to remove any salt I initially felt
Charging a Javelin is shockingly effective. Whenever I see that rocket being held and know I can’t get out of the way, I just rush in as close as I can and hope to avoid the rocket altogether, or get her gibbed at the same time.
SCAR-H SHAR-C is a balanced enough weapon that I don’t wet the bed whenever I see it
The load up time for the shot is long enough that it’s easy to spot and react to without being too much of a surprise, and makes it easy to attribute those rare moments when you’re coming up on a corner and a random Jav blows you up to just pure luck.
It also makes you hyperaware of when you’re clumping with teammates and encourage you to flank or move to a better position to spread out and avoid the triple/quad kill rockets.
That being said, I’m pretty sure Jav will completely ruin the 5v5 format, since it relies entirely on playing as a clump, and works extremely well in 6v6, which encourages spreading out
All good things~