Discussion about Nerfing/readjusting Nader soon ?

(nK) #1

its just impossible to play against it in small areas like underground maps its just impossible to plant as attackers in the 1st objective. They just spam from the door or from top if you are 2-3 or less they will obv kill atleast the guy planting + put the others low then their 4 teamates can just run into the bombsite and finish all your team considering you got 10-30 hp. And its just what 1 nader can do just think about putting 2 of them in your team you basicly can’t take the 1st objective at all. If you try to rush them to kill them & then plant its still hard considering they can throw their nades from the escalator so if the nader’s team is not dumb they will just protect him & wait the end of the time

I just think this class is so retarded the passive can be countered but the grenade launcher is just a joke + the smgs & there you go you got a perfect beast to close/mid range.

So i think this class is just imba for ranked/versus if there is some on esl later, cuz when you play alone you are not going to do some crazy strats or things like that. Considering the matchup beetween nader & fragger i belive fragger is better than nader at mid-high lvl when you play team vs team just due to the stats / combos you can do with him.

I think they should put more delay beetween each nades nader launch with his grenade launcher cuz atm the class is more like Spammer than Nader.

I’m open to discuss with the naderplayers to get their opinions.
Hf guys

(Mr-Penguin) #2

If I had a 1000 credits for every ‘nerf Nader’ thread on this forum, I could probably buy every merc in the game.

(scrub_lord) #3

Just back off until the Nader wastes all 5 of her shots then you are in the clear for a good while. I have yet to see a Nader use their ability intelligently instead of spamming the first person they see.

(GregHouseMD) #4

There’s already 4 threads on the first page discussing Nader. Just so you’re aware.

I think part of the problem here is that you could balance Nader for pub games, but then she’d be utterly useless in comp. Because the situation you describe can really only occur if you’re all by yourself, and there’s no coordination at all. A change in strategy is all you need. Also, a bit of patience ( i.e. waiting for her to spend all her grenades, as was said above ).

Also, Nader is a woman. You kept saying ‘he’. Which almost made me think you were actually talking about Fragger.

(nK) #5

[quote=“GregHouseMD;26882”]There’s already 4 threads on the first page discussing Nader. Just so you’re aware.

I think part of the problem here is that you could balance Nader for pub games, but then she’d be utterly useless in comp. Because the situation you describe can really only occur if you’re all by yourself, and there’s no coordination at all. A change in strategy is all you need. Also, a bit of patience ( i.e. waiting for her to spend all her grenades, as was said above ).

Also, Nader is a woman. You kept saying ‘he’. Which almost made me think you were actually talking about Fragger.[/quote]

yea saw that after posting x)

i don’t really know how to nerf her put its a pain in the a** when you play alone as you say .

atm she’s already i’m not going to say useless but not played in high lvl competition so it wouldn’t really impact competitive scene.

You can’t really change your strategy in pub/ranked considering you got basicly almost no strats you just play to train. Patience is kinda weird in a mode where you are supposed to rush the time. And a good nader can easily kill 2-3 guys trying to plant he just need a random info from his team “1 is planting”. I just belive the fact that he can throw 5nades in a row and considering the damages the nade deals with the short time to explode you can’t avoid death when you are plating the bomb i mean during the time you see the nade stop planting & try to run you’ll already be dead.

(watsyurdeal) #6

Nader is far from overpowered, she’s amazing indoors but suffers in the open.

Her nades really aren’t that hard to dodge, especially from a good distance, and of course, martyrdom. Just don’t freaking knife her, it’s that simple. Even if they did Nerf martyrdom, say, requiring at least one nade in reserve to use it. They’d still have to buff her damage on the nades as a compromise.

So in other words…learn to play

(Viidakko Jimi) #7

In my opinion Naders only problem is the martyrdom. Yeah I know “dont knife her”, but still it is quite a big load of lame shit.

(watsyurdeal) #8

So that’s a load of shit compared to Medics who can revive without cooldown, and the only way to deny a revive is to basically deal the exact same amount of damage it took to kill someone to begin with, or knife them. And half of the explosives that should gib on kill don’t…

There’s a reason why there’s always at least two Medics in comp, and why you pretty much never see Nader used unless you’re like me and think Fragger is too fat.

(Szakalot) #9

[quote=“nK;11860”]its just impossible to play against it in small areas like underground maps its just impossible to plant as attackers in the 1st objective. They just spam from the door or from top if you are 2-3 or less they will obv kill atleast the guy planting + put the others low then their 4 teamates can just run into the bombsite and finish all your team considering you got 10-30 hp. And its just what 1 nader can do just think about putting 2 of them in your team you basicly can’t take the 1st objective at all. If you try to rush them to kill them & then plant its still hard considering they can throw their nades from the escalator so if the nader’s team is not dumb they will just protect him & wait the end of the time
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Protip: clear the area of enemies before trying to plant.