Dirty Reputation

(raptHouse) #1

Guys, PLEASE hurry up with anticheat improvements. I was trying to convince some colleagues of mine to try dirty bomb, the response i got was pretty much the same from all them, “oh a cheater are you?” i said i wasn’t and was then asked “why are you playing dirty bomb then ? i heard that game is nothing more than a playground to test hacks”

its actually easier to convince people to try ghost recon phantoms online than it is dirty bomb.

Now if you have put the hundreds of hours into GRP that i have then that statement should worry you as much as it does me :frowning: there is no way that UBI pos should be a more attractive shooter than DB , but if i want to play something competitive for rank then thats where im going these days :’( my friends in grp wont touch DB due its reputation

(Backuplight) #2

The thing is, this isn’t actually true. Yeah, they need to improve anti-cheat, and we know they are, but people believing everything they read on the internet is the bigger issue here.

(Radford_343) #3

The thing is, this isn’t actually true. Yeah, they need to improve anti-cheat, and we know they are, but people believing everything they read on the internet is the bigger issue here.[/quote]

I am by no means validating OP’s “story” here, but perception is reality. If people actually think this game is infested with cheaters, this is a huge PR issue. If it is true or not is of little consequence.

SD have said that a new anticheat is in the works, lets hope they capitalize on that when the time for release is here.

(raptHouse) #4

The thing is, this isn’t actually true. Yeah, they need to improve anti-cheat, and we know they are, but people believing everything they read on the internet is the bigger issue here.[/quote]

yeah i know its not true, my concern is that the myth that it is is becoming mainstream. A shiny new player who has never played much fps wont know the difference between being owned by someone who was put all the hours god sends into playing DB and a hacker, all he will think is wow im getting owned , it must be true that this game is full of cheats.

If the myth that cheating is rampant continues to gain ground its going to be even harder to loose that tag. and the only way to kill that myth is do something about anti cheat asap

(Amerika) #5

The idea of cheating and the lack of good strategies against it ends up perpetuating a myth that a game is “full of cheaters” to people who only have a passing interest. Information gets passed on quickly through groups of friends and becomes a known quantity for a game (or anything really) among the masses even if it’s not accurate.

Games work this way, politics work this way…hell, even the career of actors works this way. Perception is everything. Apple computers, for a long time, were way more vulnerable than up to date Windows PC’s. But people still thought Apple computers were immune to attacks due to the perception that Apple has been able to project which doesn’t require factual information to get a particular perception.

Basically, if DB had an even worse AC client but posted a ton of information about AC efforts and what they are doing to curb cheating then most likely DB would have a great reputation among the masses despite having even worse results in actually preventing cheating.

TLDR: Perception > reality.

(raptHouse) #6

as a business model surely one of the main goals is to turn people with a passing interest into passionate players and paying customers. bad rep will eventually hurt their bottom line and with a f2p model that hurt will make its way into the quality of the game going forward

(Backuplight) #7

[quote=“raptHouse;60838”]yeah i know its not true, my concern is that the myth that it is is becoming mainstream. A shiny new player who has never played much fps wont know the difference between being owned by someone who was put all the hours god sends into playing DB and a hacker[/quote]I’m not even sure how they’d approach fixing this particular issue. The people who ragequit over a “hacker” when it’s a Vassili on your team don’t see the dozen missed shots leading up to that perfect string of 3 headshots.

The PR point is also very true, I do think there could be more done to communicate what’s going on to cut rumours like this off.

(raptHouse) #8

to be able to point someone to a static webpage with an article bigging up the work that’s being done behind the scenes to improve the AC, that would indeed go a long way to helping the PR and tbh thats all i really want. They can never fix new player rage as you pointed out,

But the PR department should be doing its utmost to make sure new players come into the game without already being in the mindset that they will encounter massive cheating.

(K1X455) #9

SD & Nexon must drop the name & shame policy cause the only way to stigmatize cheaters is when everyone else leaves the playground because of his reputation.

(Amerika) #10

Naming and shaming isn’t relevant when you can so easily change names/accounts (in any game). It would be better to be as transparent as possible with what is being done to curb cheating as opposed to making a list so people can get their pitchforks out and superficially feel better about everything.

(Osl112) #11

I’m in total agreement with @Amerika 's points. Whilst I’ve seen a couple of cheaters, the game certainly isn’t “full” of them - yet with so many hackusations and no real visible response to any cheaters spotted, it is easy to see why that perception has spread regardless of whether it is true or not. I was extremely disappointed with completely templated and impersonal response after sending in a support ticket regarding cheating myself and I was left unconvinced on whether they had even taken it seriously, forget about what was being done to combat cheaters in the near future. The least they could have done was to add a small paragraph to discuss what they were putting in to combat hacking; I completely understand why the action taken on my report might not be fully disclosed to me and agree that naming and shaming isn’t the right way to deal with hackers. Communication is key and whilst the promise of an improved anticheat is nice to hear, more needs to be done.

(DocEnglish) #12

I love those messages in BF4 chat saying XXXXX was banned or XXXXX was kicked for a global ban.
I don’t know if they were complete lies, but it made me feel better :slight_smile:

(watsyurdeal) #13

If you guys know a good anti cheat…post it, and stop pretending like getting rid of hackers is as easy as updating the game.

It isn’t

(Osl112) #14

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;61054”]If you guys know a good anti cheat…post it, and stop pretending like getting rid of hackers is as easy as updating the game.

It isn’t
[/quote]

As brutal as it sounds, whether adding an improved anticheat or getting rid of hackers is difficult or not isn’t my problem. However, (perceived) hacker-free games are what most people come to expect and therefore SD should try their best to try and achieve it. No game is ever going to be 100% hack free and sorting out hackers isn’t going to happen overnight, I understand that. The least they could do up until then however is to better communicate what they are doing about the issue.

(watsyurdeal) #15

They already said they’re working on it, what more do you want?

You’re treating this game like you’re an investor in the company, but we’re just players. And not only that, the cheating isn’t nearly as rampant as people seem to think. Maybe in UK it is but in America I never see any.

(Osl112) #16

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;61094”]They already said they’re working on it, what more do you want?

You’re treating this game like you’re an investor in the company, but we’re just players. And not only that, the cheating isn’t nearly as rampant as people seem to think. Maybe in UK it is but in America I never see any.[/quote]

I’ve only seen it once or twice. Irregardless, it happens often enough to players for it to be an issue - to the point whereby it is affecting perceptions. Does that not scream that what they are doing on the issue isn’t being communicated enough?

Lastly, so what if I’m treating the game as an investor? I’ve invested time into the game and enjoy it greatly - I want to see the game be successful and have my opinions on what SD could improve. I’m only a player, but that shouldn’t limit any opinions I might have.

(Backuplight) #17

I’m not entirely convinced anything they could say about what they’re doing would stop the angry outspoken few from proclaiming the game is dying because of how many supposed hackers it has. There comes a point where people are being unreasonable in their perceptions - how do you even propose to deal with that?

“Your game is full of hackers!”

“No it isn’t!”

“Oh, OK. My bad.”

The earlier comment that new players feel like they’ve encountered a hacker is much more likely to me, at least/especially outside of comp. I’ve seen plenty of hackusations on people who were pretty regular looking. I’m pretty sure the path they’re on is more or less the right one for now. Keep working on the anticheat measures, add them, tell the world about it. Even then, someone is still going to find a way to break it/get around it etc. If you have friends who think the game is full of hackers, that’s where you come in to set them straight.

As for communicating what they’re doing, H1Z1 has been talking a tough game on their work on hacking for months now, but people are still complaining about it. Talking only gets you so far.

(Amerika) #18

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;61094”]They already said they’re working on it, what more do you want?

You’re treating this game like you’re an investor in the company, but we’re just players. And not only that, the cheating isn’t nearly as rampant as people seem to think. Maybe in UK it is but in America I never see any.[/quote]

A few in my thread, including myself, aren’t talking about how the game is filled with cheaters. We’re talking about the perception that a lot of people have about the game regardless of whether or not it’s the truth.

And I agree…I rarely ever see anybody cheating. I rarely do comp though as I stick to pubs and scrims so that insulates me.

(K1X455) #19

If you get caught on STEAM using hacks, you can get a suspension and a record can be seen on your account by everyone. Further, STEAM can ban you from playing the game.

I just caught one today admitting to using hacks because he felt he’s being cheated by everyone killing him repeatedly (probably played in competitive mode and he got devastated by his k/d ratio). I can try to understand he just wants to feel good about himself, but I can’t tolerate it at my expense.

BTW, does the game allow you to be shot through obstruction? I got a pic that shows how I got shot and killed. I’m not claiming wall hacks or anything, it’s just that I’d like to shoot through thin walls next time (or not).