DBNation comps

(doxjq) #1

Are there any DBNation people that regularly use these forums?

I noticed there is an Asia/Australasia cup in 2 weeks time. Myself and a bunch of mates are a little disappointed though. The start time for the comp is 8pm in Australia and 10pm in New Zealand on a Sunday evening :neutral:

Is this a normal start time for a 1 day comp? Asia isn’t that far behind us in time. I don’t see why it has to start late afternoon for them and late evening for us. I mean if it was Saturday fine but for some reason it’s on the Sunday evening. Surely a BO3 Stopwatch comp with 8 teams would take quite a few hours? It’s a work night after all, something about having to stay up until 4-5am on a work night seems impossible for us.

I would ask on their forums, but I don’t seem to be getting my registration confirmed email with my password, so thought I’d try my luck here

Cheers.

(wolvie) #2

An 8-Team BO3 tourney will take around 3ish hrs. Maybe talk to @dukemaroon about a complete time change tho. The problem is for them to actually cast it, as most of their casters are NA, it needs to be later.

(doxjq) #3

Fair enough then. But 3 hours only really? I thought from previous comps I’ve seen online it took much much longer? Maybe they were 16 team comps. I really can’t remember. But that makes sense then.

(wolvie) #4

That’s how long the Christmas Cup took, and it had that same format.

(doxjq) #5

Fair enough, but I still think 10pm start is rough as guts for a Sunday. Tbh I’m not familar with many timezones in Asia but I know Japan are only 4 hours behind us (6pm start for them) and China are only 5 hours behind (5pm start for them) so I just think it’s odd. I mean fair point about the casters being in NA but we’re kind of being shafted out of the tournament here pretty much. It’s really disappointing. I hope they revise the start time for the future comps because there is literally a heap of keen players here in Aus and NZ who are now saying “bugger it, we just won’t enter.”

Also, is it normal for the competitions to spread over such a distance? Aus ping 150-160 to Asian servers afaik. Over here in NZ we ping 180ms to asian servers on a good day. More often than not it’s warpy as hell though and 200+ ping. I’m not sure how badly the asian players ping to the aussie servers though but more often than not it’s not the same both ways so I’m interested to know. I’m not sure how far they’ve stretched in previous comps but those pings sure do become a total disaster for game play.

(dukemaroon) #6

@rancid Hey there! Sorry it took me so long to respond. We just finalized our times for the events. Please note that these times are subject to change in the future. Asia/Australia cups are slated for the times listed below:

4:00PM SGT (Singapore)
6:00PM AEST (Australia) THIS TIME IS WRONG
12:00AM PST (Los Angeles)
3:00AM EST (New York)
9:00AM CET (Europe)

Because it is only a 8 team single elimination bo3, each round is scheduled to take an absolute maximum of 1 hour 30 minutes. Multiply that by 3 (8 teams in round 1, 4 teams in round 2, 2 teams in round 3), it will take a maximum of 4.5 hours. This is in a worst case scenario where in all three rounds, all matches scores’ are 2-1.

The main reason we scheduled it for the afternoon is because the majority of our staff members are located in North America. For me personally, I’m going to have to be up from 11pm to 4am to work the event. However, none of these times are written in stone yet. We still can change things if we need to. We’ll talk to the teams after the event to see if the time needs to change or if we’re ok.

Finally, as @wolvie said, the Christmas Cup only ran for 3 hours. We were really lucky with that one as, I believe, all matches ended with a 2-0 score. Plan on the timing being between 3 and 4.5 hours. If you have any more questions, feel free to let me know! :smile:

Edit: We’ve got a meeting tomorrow. I’ll be sure to bring this up. I’d really like you to be able to participate, and I really don’t want to shut the door on you guys. I’ll see what we can do!

Edit 2: I screwed up. The Australia time listed there is incorrect. It starts at 8pm AEDT. Unfortunately, finding a happy medium between time zones is very tricky. We’ll see if we can work something out.

(doxjq) #7

I appreciate the effort but I wouldn’t worry about it too much for this first event. So much time has passed that a lot of the guys have kind of lost interest at least just for this cup. It might be worth reviewing for the future cups though. There’s quite a few of us who play d.bomb in New Zealand as well, arguably just as many as Aussie, we just don’t have our own servers so we have to connect to Aussie ones. The problem for us is like I said we’re two hours ahead of Aussie, so the start time is 10pm for us haha.

The problem isn’t so much the time, but the day. I know it’s late for the NA guys as well but at least that is on a Saturday evening. We’re 15-21 hours ahead of America so Sunday being a work night makes the comp practically impossible. If the comp was perhaps on a Saturday night for us (Friday for America) it might be more feasible. Understandably some people work weekends but I’d say that’s a much rarer possibility than people working on a Monday.

I’m not really sure how to answer it either, but ultimately I think Saturday nights might be a better solution for most of the people involved on this side of the world. I’m not sure if that is possible though, or what your guys schedules look like etc, but hey it was worth a suggestion!

Cheers.

Edit: Also, in regards to the ping thing. Has this been done before (Asia and Australia competition?) … Routing on this side of the world is weird. I actually ping better to USA than I do to Asia. I am about 95% sure Australia do as well. I have no idea why because Asia is much closer but I don’t know much about international routing, so I’m sure the answer is there some where. It’s been that way for as long as I can remember though in all games I’ve ever played.

(Tanker_Ray) #8

I am participating the Asia DBN cup at Jan and Feb.

GMT +9.00 here in South Korea, so I am 4 hours behind than New Zealand, 2 hours behind than AUS, which is 6 PM.

Just my assumption, but DBN is trying to set Japan or Singapore as main timeline criteria since Asia server has bunch of them.

Man, ending at Sunday dawn would be harsh. You should inquire this to Milady, who’s in charge of DBN.

(doxjq) #9

I think it’s too late to even bother trying though. Virtually every one I was keen to team with has given up on the idea as it just really isn’t possible for us.

But I still beg to know the answer to the ping issue. Is it normal to hold a comp where the competitors are going to ping up to 200ms? It’s such a disadvantage. I can only assume someone looked at the map and thought “Australia is close to Asian countries so the ping will be fine”, but it really isn’t.

(Tanker_Ray) #10

[quote=“rancid;137273”]I think it’s too late to even bother trying though. Virtually every one I was keen to team with has given up on the idea as it just really isn’t possible for us.

But I still beg to know the answer to the ping issue. Is it normal to hold a comp where the competitors are going to ping up to 200ms? It’s such a disadvantage. I can only assume someone looked at the map and thought “Australia is close to Asian countries so the ping will be fine”, but it really isn’t. [/quote]

Yeah, you are right about the time.

I also asked Milady about the ping problems, and the reply was ‘Asia and AUS have way too little comp players challenging DBN, so they just combined in to one.’

But seriously, I have never played under 80 ping because Asia server was never accustomed to Korea, and also I can’t even play in AUS since I get 300+ ping.

I think Asia server’s criteria is Singapore. Singaporeans get those under 40 pings.

(doxjq) #11

We shouldn’t be grouped into one though. Where is Milady getting the figures from? The early open beta stages where very few people even knew about Dirty Bomb? Every single night now there is like 20+ servers going in Australia alone that are all full - I know loads of competitive players that would play in competitions. Back when they used to run competitions there was very few servers running - you could count them on one hand. Game has grown a lot since then.

But if they’re going to group them, they’re better off putting Aussie with USA. I mean it quite literally when I say we ping better to USA than we do to Asia even if Asia is twice as close haha. There is severe routing problems.

I think it’s a little unfair if we’re forced to play competitions with 180-200ms pings :neutral: I am almost certain the Asian players ping 300+ to Aussie, so we’d always have to play on their servers without the possibility of rotating. For some reason the ping isn’t the same both ways.

(doxjq) #12

Actually I just re-read your post. If the figures are taken from competitive mode then I don’t know what to suggest - Competitive mode is lacking every where, and over here in Aussie we can’t find a single game. Anywhere in the world. Not just Aussie. To this day I’ve never played a competitive match yet, even if I sit in a lobby with 4 friends searching USA and Asian regions for 30+ minutes. I think competitive mode is dead everywhere. It’s not because there aren’t competitive players or because we don’t have a big enough player base, it’s simply just that it takes wayyyyy too long to find a game so no one bothers. We all just rotate on pub matches and swap the teams up.

(Tanker_Ray) #13

http://dbn.gg/forums/topic/asiaaustralia-cup-1-sign-up/

Guess the time has changed.

but I still don’t have any ideas about the server ping problems.

May be she was saying ‘there were too little teams challenging DBN’, rather than just saying AUS user pool is small.

Asia servers got much less users than AUS though… we only have 5 8 vs 8 servers MAX, and usually only 3 or 4 of them are full, even weekends.

(doxjq) #14

Wow. Check out the Aussie ones later tonight. I’d be interested to know what kind of ping you get. We seriously have loads of servers going every night.

(doxjq) #15

Might have to ask around and field myself a team now. As I said a lot lost interest due to the time so I’m not sure if they will be able to enter now or not, but here’s hoping!

(Xan) #16

@ThunderPro Sometimes it fluctuate up to 100-200ping

In singapore

(doxjq) #17

So I checked both these out last night in game. I am in New Zealand. My ping to USA West is 136-138ms and my ping to Asia is 178-180ms.

My friend from Australia who joined the servers with me was pinging 150ms to USA West and 166-170ms to Asia.

So we definitely ping better to USA than we do to Asia, so it seems weird to include countries to a specific regional comp where they ping worse than they do to the other side of the world.

But hey, we’ll still compete for fun. It’s just something worth considering for the future tournaments though.

In regards to the lack of teams here though, in all honesty asking around servers there are loads of Australian and New Zealand players who are keen to play in comps, but they didn’t even know the comps existed because they don’t use the DB or DBNation forums. Is there any way you guys can get the comps advertised in game? Perhaps in the latest news or something? From memory Dirty Bomb has a latest news section unless I was dreaming it. I’m at work at the moment so I can’t check.

(Nail) #18

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(Faraleth) #19

The Asia and Australia cup is working on the same principles as the Proving Grounds cup this weekend. There is simply too few teams signing up to give them their own Europe, Americas, Asian and Australian Proving Grounds cup, so we kind of have to mash them all into one.

The first Asia & Australia cup next weekend is a trial run for the region. Currently, it’s FAR less popular than the Proving Grounds and New Years cup we have planned - which to be fair, was expected, which is why the regions are put into one group.

However, there will be measures in place to ensure a fair and even game. Such as the following:

  • If the game is AUS vs. AUS, we will naturally be playing on an AUS server. (Vice versa for Asia vs. Asia)
  • If round 1 in a cross-region game (Asia vs. AUS) is on an AUS server, it will then be flipped to an Asia server for round 2. If round 3 is required, that is at the casters/admins discretion.
(doxjq) #20

I don’t think we can rotate it though, because the Asian players ping 300+ to Australia for whatever reason. It doesn’t ping the same both ways. I mean 180 is bad enough but it IS playable(ish) on Dirty Bomb - the game has a pretty legit netcode - but 300ms just isn’t playable. I think all Asia vs Aussie games will be on Asian servers, but yeah obviously Aussie vs Aussie will be on Aus servers.