CW to hard to get

(cordovanJive) #21

[quote=“darlingClaymore;107055”][quote=“Hibbsan;107052”][quote=“Xavien;107048”]Here’s 99% of DB player’s current CW collection:

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Am i that 1%? Feels good man.

http://i.imgur.com/GXVc8Yc.png

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he means those that don’t spend money to buy cases…[/quote]

So the people not financially supporting the game and wanting free stuff? =)

Haven’t bought anything myself, but it makes no sense to complain about cards being “too hard to get.” That’s the intention. 0.03 was put there as an incentive to get players to buy the cases that have higher chances, but allow players who have the in game cash to take a worthless spin, and maybe, just maybe get something.

(CCP115) #22

So the people not financially supporting the game and wanting free stuff? =)

Haven’t bought anything myself, but it makes no sense to complain about cards being “too hard to get.” That’s the intention. 0.03 was put there as an incentive to get players to buy the cases that have higher chances, but allow players who have the in game cash to take a worthless spin, and maybe, just maybe get something.

If you want people to financially support a game, don’t screw them over with RNG and unwise investments. Give them good incentive, and the money will just roll in.

(Lumi) #23

[quote=“cordovanJive;107165”]
So the people not financially supporting the game and wanting free stuff? =)

Haven’t bought anything myself, but it makes no sense to complain about cards being “too hard to get.” That’s the intention. 0.03 was put there as an incentive to get players to buy the cases that have higher chances, but allow players who have the in game cash to take a worthless spin, and maybe, just maybe get something.[/quote]

The point is that many free players would have spent a couple of euros on a 100% drop case, but the current need to pay 35 euros for a guaranteed CW is just ridiculous and makes many people not want to pay. I bet that most people buying the 10 pack are players who would already buy the elite cases regardless of the CW event.

They could have gotten much more money out of it if asking a little from everyone, they’re limited in time so that’s incentive enough. But they’re kinda playing poker with a royal flush and scaring everyone out of the pot and only winning the antes with that approach.

(Aazhyd) #24

About 200 cases. 1 cobalt, 1 gold, a couple of silvers and lots of irons and leads.

But no CW yet. :frowning:

(iGeeBee) #25

Out of 215 CW cases:

173 Lead
37 Iron
4 Bronze
1 Silver

sigh :confused:

(Dog) #26

[quote=“Girlblunder;107601”]Out of 215 CW cases:

173 Lead
37 Iron
4 Bronze
1 Silver

sigh :confused: [/quote]

Flip a coin. You had a greater chance of calling the coin right than getting a CW card. 52.4% chance that you would not have a CW card at that point.

(Ctrix) #27

You actually spending money on these cases is the reason why we have this shitty system in the first place. Think for a second about your chances before you waste a bunch of money on RNG bullshit.

(LCTR) #28

[quote=“random;106681”]Fun with Numbers!
What has a higher chance of happening than you getting a CW card from 1 case?

  • Getting the same specific color 8 times in a row on a roulette table - pow(0.5, 8) = 0.00390625 [or 8 times the same result in 8 consecutive coin tosses, yadda yadda]
  • Getting the same specific number from 3 dice rolls - pow((1/6), 3) = 0.004629
  • Drawing a specific card from a standard 52 poker card deck and from the leftover cards drawing a card of a specific color bigger than 3. (This is the equation)
  • Dying by Firearm or Exposure to Fire, Flames or Smoke over the course of your life in the US - 1/1,442 + 1/358 = 0.00348 (according to this webpage which I randomly found in the internet)
  • Getting one of the as ‘occasional’ marked side-effect from this arbitrary medicine (pain pills for headaches) I found in my medicine cabinet, those can include headaches (lol), Gastritis, Oversensitivity reactions and many more for your pleasure.
  • Getting one or more shiny pokemon within your first 25 encounters in an arbitrary pokemon game - 1/8192 * 25 = 0.00305
  • After having had a counter helix proc, the chance of having another TWO counter helix procs in a row with Axe in Dota 2 - 0.05570 * 0.05570 = 0.00310, because of PRD.

(Sorry, I was bored.)[/quote]

I know people said it’s demoralising - and it is - but I appreciate the effort!

Mainly because humans tend to not understand probabilities easily and naturally - e.g. People trust recommendations from people they know over statistically correct data.

This is a good reference for where you should pitch your expectations: Low.

(Thai-San) #29

[quote=“Lumi;107229”]
The point is that many free players would have spent a couple of euros on a 100% drop case, but the current need to pay 35 euros for a guaranteed CW is just ridiculous and makes many people not want to pay. I bet that most people buying the 10 pack are players who would already buy the elite cases regardless of the CW event.[/quote]

I don’t really agree with this. I’ve never bought Elite cases because I never saw the true value in buying them. I can trade my useless cards up to cobalt or what ever if I want to. But the CW event got me. I wanted to have at least a few of those nice cards so I bought myself two packs of 10 cases and now I have 6 shiny CW cards. If it wasn’t for those cards I’d have never bought those cases.

(HunterAssassin5) #30

i opened something like 20(?) so far, got 1 CW and a shitton of leads. not even iron, that one CW siphoned a lot of luck from me, and worst part is that it was a fragger card, which i dont even use.

(Lumi) #31

[quote=“ThaiSan;107711”][quote=“Lumi;107229”]
The point is that many free players would have spent a couple of euros on a 100% drop case, but the current need to pay 35 euros for a guaranteed CW is just ridiculous and makes many people not want to pay. I bet that most people buying the 10 pack are players who would already buy the elite cases regardless of the CW event.[/quote]

I don’t really agree with this. I’ve never bought Elite cases because I never saw the true value in buying them. I can trade my useless cards up to cobalt or what ever if I want to. But the CW event got me. I wanted to have at least a few of those nice cards so I bought myself two packs of 10 cases and now I have 6 shiny CW cards. If it wasn’t for those cards I’d have never bought those cases.[/quote]

Now realistically how many people are in your situation? Would be nice to have a survey or poll about what it made people do. EDIT: I’m going to start a poll.

(Faraleth) #32

@Lumi actually, my recent survey said 29% of people SPECIFICALLY bought the Elite CW cases for the CW cards. While not directly the same question, the results show a large percentage of people bought them. It would definitely be interesting though to know how many that was compared to usual. :stuck_out_tongue:

(Lumi) #33

@Lumi actually, my recent survey said 29% of people SPECIFICALLY bought the Elite CW cases for the CW cards. While not directly the same question, the results show a large percentage of people bought them. It would definitely be interesting though to know how many that was compared to usual. :stuck_out_tongue: [/quote]

I noticed, that’s why I’m going to try and get the specifics, like who was buying some elite cases previously and who would buy some if the CW guaranteed cases would be individually sold, etc. You can attack the results of the poll to the survey ones after.

(Thai-San) #34

[quote=“Lumi;107719”]
Now realistically how many people are in your situation? Would be nice to have a survey or poll about what it made people do. EDIT: I’m going to start a poll.[/quote]

I don’t know. I’m just one person but I hardly think I’m the only one who felt this way.
Time limited stuff is always a good way to get people to spend money in f2p games and this one I know from Blacklight: Retribution and Warframe and so on.

(Lumi) #35

[quote=“ThaiSan;107725”][quote=“Lumi;107719”]
Now realistically how many people are in your situation? Would be nice to have a survey or poll about what it made people do. EDIT: I’m going to start a poll.[/quote]

I don’t know. I’m just one person but I hardly think I’m the only one who felt this way.
Time limited stuff is always a good way to get people to spend money in f2p games and this one I know from Blacklight: Retribution and Warframe and so on.[/quote]

Try and give your input on my poll forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/20028/clarification-on-cw-consumer-habits-mini-survey-addendum

(Aazhyd) #36

My calculations say the 50% limit is at 231 CW cases. Meaning if you open 231 cases, you have a 50% chance of getting at least 1 CW loadout.

Even after opening 300 cases, more than 40% of players wil have none. So its safe to say vast majority of (free) players will not get any, ever.

Since the chance of getting a USEFUL CW loadout are even much smaller, i say this is a neat way of pissing off your player base.

(RyePanda) #37

[quote=“Aazhyd;107738”]My calculations say the 50% limit is at 231 CW cases. Meaning if you open 231 cases, you have a 50% chance of getting at least 1 CW loadout.

Even after opening 300 cases, more than 40% of players wil have none. So its safe to say vast majority of (free) players will not get any, ever.

Since the chance of getting a USEFUL CW loadout are even much smaller, i say this is a neat way of pissing off your player base.[/quote]

I was one of the lucky ones and got a really good loadout after 100 cases, but before that, and still now, I think the odds are way too low.

(Izzy) #38

[quote=“Aazhyd;107738”]My calculations say the 50% limit is at 231 CW cases. Meaning if you open 231 cases, you have a 50% chance of getting at least 1 CW loadout.

Even after opening 300 cases, more than 40% of players wil have none. So its safe to say vast majority of (free) players will not get any, ever.

Since the chance of getting a USEFUL CW loadout are even much smaller, i say this is a neat way of pissing off your player base.[/quote]

The problem with useful is: useful to who?
I have a CW sparks 383 companion agent that I just want to throw away while many people wants it. If and when we will be able to trade loadouts with other people, ‘useful’ will take another sense.