I tried to get some ranked progress done at the end of season 1 and even in ranked there are players who try to stack defuse and just having no real clue at all. Oh yeah, and I met this fella:
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I think a higher entry level would keep hackers with throw away accounts away and would make sure that only players who understand the basics of the game enter rank.
I don’t think making the entry level too much higher is a good way. People should be able to catch 5v5 mode early on already, not every low level is a mouthbreather that has to be reminded to tilt their head every now and then for more even drool distribution on their lap.
What Ranked should do though, is have enough people all across the skill levels and proper matchmaking, so the atrociously bad and insanely good players never meet each other in there. As that is the core issue with highly differing skill levels, for now people who are lightyears away from each other skill-wise keep getting placed against each other because game has no choice: there’s nobody else to put against. Bad people with will to learn need a place to go too.
About script kids too, while they start flexing their momma’s and papa’s credit card for those cheat site subscriptions, it’s a no-brainer for them to grab themselves couple throwaway accounts too that have already been farmed to required entry level through farming-bot usage. So it would only drop the most laziest / stupidest / poorest of cheaters to be honest.
I think lvl 7 is just fine. The fact people with more experience meet these level 7’s is not fine. Something else has to be done to the cheating issue too than just slap more arbitary bars for Ranked entry, specifically ones that script kids can actually bypass easily. I’d vote for having overwatch- style system like CS:GO once DB catches enough air under its wings and has proper large playerbase.
Until such, I’d recommend keep reporting these scrubs and going play PUGs and cups for ones share of cheater-free 5v5 action.
Lvl 7 is way too low , lvl 10 + seems more appropriate. Also make it so that people need at least 6+ merc unlocked to enter ranked. Now you have to do jack shit to play ranked , and it is infested with hackers and ppl who don’t give a damn. But that would make ranked probably even more dead lel
At least lvl 15! We dont want to play with/against braindead lvl 7 russian kids after 30 mins q-ing.
theres not a bigger enough comp playerbase to add more restrisction i think if we got a 5v5 casual mode it would get people to understand the meta more and they can see what ranked is like
this idea is good, but most af players on ranked are below lvl 15, soo it would be “finisher” for ranked
Maybe I should have explained myself better, but I was tired when I made this thread and grumpy since yesterday evening there were 2 complete noobs and a hacker queueing on Euro ranked so while waiting you had to hope that those 2 newbs dont end up in your team which made the games a 3vs5 effectively and that the hacker doesnt end up in your game as people refused to kick him, because winning.
First of all, yes there should be casual 5vs5 servers to get people used to the format, so the only change to ranked is FF on. Several people already asked about it and I made a whole thread linking stayfreshshoe and RazielWarmonic in it, asking why there are no casual 5vs5 servers when the game is made for that mode. Sadly, there was no answer.
About there wouldnt be enough people to play ranked: The idea behind ranked is to be matched with players of equal skill and to climb the ranked ladder. As there are not enough players of equal skill, you basically already dont have enough players to play ranked. Its more or less a casual 5vs5 with FF on and a long waiting period. Which makes your position in the ranking system a lottery.
The system right now is, players have no clue about 5vs5 since they cant play it. So they derp around on public 7vs7 and 8vs8 server and after a few hours of playing they reach lvl 7 and ranked is unlocked. And they are not prepared for it. How should they. They have no experience with the format whatsoever. But hey, lets try it out. They get thrown into a server with people with a competive mindset, they dont know what to do and ruin the fun for other people.
With a lvl 15 or even lvl 20 restriction and 5vs5 casual servers, You would only have people playing ranked who invested some time into the game, who have experience with the format and can contribute to the match. The unlocking of ranked at lvl 20 would be something player would wait for and looking forward to. I bet right now, a lot of players are not even aware that there is a restriction on ranked as their level is high enough to play it, when they first try to.
@Dox @Daga you like to play with people who dont have any idea about the game or something? level 7-10-15 is still too young and inexperienced.
you guys want Ranked filled with more people but those who played in it are just the same kind of dumb as the average Public kids who only want to play vasilli because apparently SD gave them Cobalt vasilli in early level?
if we want the Ranked to be more populated, first we need to populate DB public. After that, we get fresh level 20 graduate who knows how to shoot, knows how to fix EV, knows about some of the utility of the abilities of some of the merc.
Making DB illiterate kids go to War is never a good idea and wont make the games better for everybody.
No I don’t enjoy playing with inexperienced players, but it shouldn’t be done by level. My three best mates are level 11, level 13 and level 14 and those 3 guys are quite capable and often go ridiculously high k/d’s and often get 30k in Stopwatch games. Two of those guys went 9-1 W/L in their 10 placement matches for ranked and the other is on 7/0.
Level is a bad way to gauge talent. It doesn’t take into account their other FPS experience at all. I’d certainly rather a level 5 with thousands of hours of experience in other games like Quake over a level 15 with no common sense who also can’t aim because Dirty Bomb is his first ever FPS game.
@sweetColumn I agree with @Dox when I joined DB I went straight in to comp (because thats what my friends were playing) but I had over 4k hours across the PC fps genre (mostly Tf2/Csgo/Quake) so I was put straight in to gold rank.
also I would love to play with/against competent players but the DB comp player base is very small at the moment so puting a even higher restriction on it would just make it even more of a ghost town.
@Dox and @daga yes, a higher entry level would be negative in your special cases. But if you play casual and have a look at the average lvl 7 to lvl 15 player you must admit, that your cases are the exception.
And if you are that good and often get 30k per stopwatch match its maybe 2 weeks from level 7 to level 15. So it wouldnt stop you that long, but it would be an effective barrier to all players who have no clue, how to play the game.
I think the main problem people have with beginners in ranked is, that you currently get bronze players in games with gold players. If ranked had a bigger population this wouldnt happen. And solving this is a whole other issue which SD wont solve with their current system (lets see what ideas they have for season 2). But as long as they dont force their whole game into the 5vs5 direction for casual and ranked, ranked will not pick up. And as I dont see them doing that, I rather wait 10 mins longer and play with people with a certain skill level than playing against and with newbs and botters.
They’re not really exceptions though. I mean maybe it is rare to see levels that low get those kind of scores, I’ll admit that, but honestly generally speaking I see almost no difference between in skill level 7 to level 15 in most cases so I really don’t think it’s necessary.
Every single day I see level 20+ who are absolutely terrible at the game and I struggle to comprehend it. I often see people at level 30 who I genuinely feel are worse than I was in my very first game at level 1. Honestly, there’s still a handful of people who are level 50+ right now who I would say are worse than I was at level 5, missing revives and getting like 3 kills in an entire game, with very little if not any game sense. I more often than not see guys who are so skilled at level 7 that I often wonder if they are a smurf. I probably see the latter more often in all honesty. There’s just a huge mix of skill in Dirty Bomb.
At the end of the day the problem with unbalanced matches in ranked or being paired up with beginners is like you say, just the lack of players playing the game. Dirty Bomb population while still reasonably healthy is pretty small. If the population was huge, we wouldn’t have these problems.
It all comes down to the player as well in many cases. Some times there is just no helping people. My first ever game of Dirty Bomb I had more than 30 kills and it only took me 5 minutes to work out that some people could do objective work faster than others, so I asked why and people explained engineers and the other classes to me. I remember asking what we were supposed to do any someone explained that we needed to repair the tank, so I walked up to it and they told me I couldn’t repair it at the same time as someone else, so I never bothered double stacking. I literally learned this all in my first game and christ if anything I’m a slow learner, but it really isn’t a difficult thing to understand. When I see people who are level 10-25 STILL doing these kind of things, it makes me wild. Some people are just clueless, and I really don’t think it’s inexperience, it’s just a lack of common sense and these types of people will always be bad regardless of their level.
@Dox and @Daga
level are not a good way to judge a talent but at least its equal to everyone.
if youre so good at dirty bomb then reaching level 20 fast is not a problem.
if you get 30K in every stop watch match you/ your friends did , levels shouldnt have been a problem.
my first game was pretty good, then i leveled up everyday until im level 17.
even now i kinda rarely play still level up once a week (now im level 53)
Ranked Mode should not be recommended for new players EVEN if they came from TF, Quake, CSGO*, Wolfenstein:ET, Unreal Tournament or any games that you think youre good at.
people came from other games dont know map, guns, abilites and how to counter them
when you came to ranked you are expected to be able to Sh it on your enemies so hard they gone to long spawn.
*CSGO? dont even man. The last time a guy who said they spend hundred hours in CSGO then he plays Dirty Bomb as Vasilli camping in the back tried to kill people and then he said:
“fu ck this game sucks”
and yes i checked his steam, he did spend couple hundred of hours in CSGO.
@kelben I supose it is in special cases but i think making restriction higher would really kill it. I do agree that there needs to be some way to practice 5v5 outside of the ranked enviroment and Im hoping SD do that at somepoint.
@sweetColumn im just saying that if you raise the level cap no one will play, its a free to play game which normally means the people that play it are new to pc/fps gaming or they are just looking for a casual game with out spending money which means not many of them will have the desire to play the game at a competitive level(in most cases).
and veterans of pc fps (especially fast pace ones like quake) would execl at dirty bomb due to the fact it involes alot individual skill (strafing and aim).
things like Team play and map knowledge are quite easy to pick up.
also most csgo players are like that because its quite toxic community and most player in it have a big ego and nothing to back it.
im not saying my 1.7k hours on csgo gave me good dirty bomb knowledge but my aim carrys over.(also it can teach when you have the advatage and when to GTFO.)
Kelben : i was on your party and on your team during this match and me too i was very angry because this guys is just a hacker he one-shoot and automatic aim…he need a sanction
How about unlocking ranked by showing that you actively can fill all the roles the game offers? For example (N = a reasonable number to be defined):
For new players, the ranked screen would show progress bars how far they are with completing these tasks. Once all are done, the screen changes to the current one where you can setup the game.
SD probably doesn’t even have to explain how these tasks can be completed. Just assign achievements to them and I’m sure some helpful youtuber will do an achievement guide to get more views.
I’m still stuck on how in the world the game calculated 3000% accuracy.
