Commendation System and /p (punishment) in Ranked & Casual MM

(GatoCommodore) #1

I’m all for a system that will segregate, discriminate, separate actual good players with good intention from Trolls Team Killers and their kind.

With the “Bad” player getting /p (punish) or report in their account
Trolls and Team Killers will be matched with their own and against their own and for this to work it needs counter system

For the System to work, it needs a counter system that would not disadvantage Players with good intention.
SD needs a Commendation System post match screen. So people that own many commendation wont be lumped together with the “Bad” players (this is to prevent abuse by trolls).

The question:
How high should this be prioritized for SD to build?
(of course after the telemetry system in place)

(AlbinMatt) #2

While the community is already a puddle from the pond it once was, this system could really improve the user experience, and commending players/ discouraging trolls is a good way to both have us engage in the game more as a community, and it lightens SD’s burden on going all CSI on relatively minor issues.

Provided they don’t mess up the system to where it feels like a fascist social platform with conformity being the norm.

(Xenithos) #3

Something to be cautious/wary of: Automated systems and even systems that user input (ours in this case) are prone to abuse as well. You can /p people frequently just because you’re annoyed, or etc. However, how do you GIVE commendations?

The system would need to be a lot more fleshed out, but I see potential for the matchmaking to be improved on an intention basis. Also, if the world’s best Phantom or Proxy player is playing ranked and leading the team, and they STILL lose, then it’s likely that noobs will blame (though partially in the correct…) the Phantom and he will get crapped on in future maps simply because he enjoys playing Phantom. Just an example.

(GatoCommodore) #4

@Xenithos said:
Something to be cautious/wary of: Automated systems and even systems that user input (ours in this case) are prone to abuse as well. You can /p people frequently just because you’re annoyed, or etc. However, how do you GIVE commendations?

The system would need to be a lot more fleshed out, but I see potential for the matchmaking to be improved on an intention basis. Also, if the world’s best Phantom or Proxy player is playing ranked and leading the team, and they STILL lose, then it’s likely that noobs will blame (though partially in the correct…) the Phantom and he will get crapped on in future maps simply because he enjoys playing Phantom. Just an example.

what im thinking about the minus point to a player account only applied with /p and report.
its hard to do unintentional team-killing if you just play normal and avoid shooting friendlies

imo all system have loop holes that can be abused, im sure SD would be able to band-aid it if they ever implement it.

(Nail) #5

you can’t fix stupid, all ROEs are wide open to abuse

(Teflon Love) #6

@Nail said:
you can’t fix stupid, all ROEs are wide open to abuse

It’s not about fixing stupid rather than avoiding stupid. Ideally, stupid will still be there but it gets its own room with the door locked.

(Press E) #7

I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just ban them instead of trying to force them to play with other trolls.
I mean, keep /p as it is for teamkillers, readd vote kick (and reduce it to 3 yes votes to help prevent the troll’s friends from shutting it down), temporarily ban players on a first offense, then increase the penalty from there. No reason SD has to make things complicated.

I’ve had a /p called against me a few times for bad airstrikes against salty players, or others who don’t understand it’s easier to kill and revive than heal. -300 XP isn’t a huge deal for the average player, and it’s almost impossible to get 5 punishes unless you’re actually trying to teamkill, which is why I think the system is fine as it is.

(Nail) #8

@teflonlove said:

@Nail said:
you can’t fix stupid, all ROEs are wide open to abuse

It’s not about fixing stupid rather than avoiding stupid. Ideally, stupid will still be there but it gets its own room with the door locked.

isn’t that TF2 ?

(Artyrim) #9

NO WAY
With ff on you can damage your team even without being a troll or dick.
In one match I killed 7 times a teammate just because every fuckin time he was a meat shield for enemies lol. I was shooting at enemies and he was always covering them.

Btw If i want to troll someone I have to go at teams’ airstrickers/mines/nades and just /p,right?

We need a third comand,/t for trolls

P.s . As a troll I don’t fight my own kind :stuck_out_tongue:

(GatoCommodore) #10

@Artyrim said:
NO WAY
With ff on you can damage your team even without being a troll or dick.
In one match I killed 7 times a teammate just because every @$!# time he was a meat shield for enemies lol. I was shooting at enemies and he was always covering them.

Btw If i want to troll someone I have to go at teams’ airstrickers/mines/nades and just /p,right?

We need a third comand,/t for trolls

P.s . As a troll I don’t fight my own kind :stuck_out_tongue:

it is the final solution to the Troll question
mass genocide the trolls that plagues the game industry

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(Artyrim) #11

@GatoCommodore said:

@Artyrim said:
NO WAY
With ff on you can damage your team even without being a troll or dick.
In one match I killed 7 times a teammate just because every @$!# time he was a meat shield for enemies lol. I was shooting at enemies and he was always covering them.

Btw If i want to troll someone I have to go at teams’ airstrickers/mines/nades and just /p,right?

We need a third comand,/t for trolls

P.s . As a troll I don’t fight my own kind :stuck_out_tongue:

it is the final solution to the Troll question
mass genocide the trolls that plagues the game industry

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DUDE! You know if they do that they are going to loss 99% of players?

Every troll is a player and every player is a troll . Pure logic

(bgyoshi) #12

@GatoCommodore said:

it is the final solution to the Troll question
mass genocide the trolls that plagues the game industry

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Bad taste dude.

I have no idea what this idea is at all. Do you give commendations? Why wouldn’t trolls be able to jump in front of friendly fire and /p everyone just to… you know… troll?

I don’t understand this system.

(GatoCommodore) #13

@bgyoshi said:

@GatoCommodore said:

it is the final solution to the Troll question
mass genocide the trolls that plagues the game industry

2326_org.jpg800x517

Bad taste dude.

I have no idea what this idea is at all. Do you give commendations? Why wouldn’t trolls be able to jump in front of friendly fire and /p everyone just to… you know… troll?

I don’t understand this system.

because normal people who just want to play the game doesnt intentionally jumps in front of a friendly and type /p

thats why there is a report button and telemetry so trolls cant lie.

(bgyoshi) #14

@GatoCommodore said:

because normal people who just want to play the game doesnt intentionally jumps in front of a friendly and type /p

thats why there is a report button and telemetry so trolls cant lie.

I thought the point of the system was to put trolls and TKers into their own pool via punishing? So if the game is tracking how many punishes you get and putting all players with similar punish levels together, what’s to stop those same trolls from joining a game and, hey, trolling everyone by jumping in front of teammates and diving on team explosives so they can get tk’d and rack up the /p’s on everyone?

(GatoCommodore) #15

@bgyoshi said:

@GatoCommodore said:

because normal people who just want to play the game doesnt intentionally jumps in front of a friendly and type /p

thats why there is a report button and telemetry so trolls cant lie.

I thought the point of the system was to put trolls and TKers into their own pool via punishing? So if the game is tracking how many punishes you get and putting all players with similar punish levels together, what’s to stop those same trolls from joining a game and, hey, trolling everyone by jumping in front of teammates and diving on team explosives so they can get tk’d and rack up the /p’s on everyone?

then the team can also report this behaviour and the telemetry/replay system can prove it.
like what i said earlier, in this ideal situation the trolls cant lie

(eliii) #16

It’s pointless if reports aren’t reviewed, such a system will just get abused.