Clans


(Rex) #21

[QUOTE=Yellow Steroid Puff;245121]No. Not really.

Clans make you use their color scheme and their clan indicators in your character’s name. They also dictate when the clan is going to set up gaming times. So basically, they’re taking alot of the fun and originality out of the game by limiting your freedom of choice.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, clans: All about color choosing and dictatorship :smiley:
I really laughed my ass off when I read your post :smiley:

Furthermore I don’t need to ask if you were ever a member of a clan. Your insane arguments point it out.

There is also a big difference between “fun” and “competitive” clans in each game. But I think you don’t even know what a fun clan is :rolleyes:


(Auzner) #22

You can’t use words like “any” and “anyone” without defining them. You’ve just quantified it as “everyone”. Blanket statements are rarely ever true.

Heh.

I think the word itself (clan) has its own negative implications. For online gaming it usually says to me “this community is ran like in Lord of the Flies.”

What you’re describing is more how children and teenagers run clans. Then there are adults who are at the same maturity level because it allows them to fit in with the children. They haven’t learned how to balance their real life with their video games. They usually lead clans because their job grants them the money to control their own domain and game server. When the clan grows really large the intense manchildren they recruit get very serious about everyone’s rankings and they act as if they really are in an actual national security position. Socializing with nonclan members will get really uncivil, and even amongst the members there’s argument about rank based on forum activity or ingame skill sets.

Even clans that are nothing like this will still attract new members who have this perception that it is this way. New members might subconsciously prepare themselves to accept and emulate this behavior. I’m saying that using the word “clan” for a community who likes to play the same game is almost like infecting it with a virus. New members are joining for the clan drama, not just the gaming. They want people to bestow virtual ranks upon them so they feel they’ve accomplished something. Then there can be uncivil elitist behavior which bullies non members who happen to share their public server.

Competitive clans that have their act together usually have minimal socializing. Or it’s very exclusive and the ranks are ignored but you’ve got people more focused on the game than anything else. They don’t care that your arm will be in a cast for two months, you’re off the team because you can’t help them win anymore. If they’re not a sponsored clan earning money I don’t understand why some people want it like that.

I have never interviewed anyone who gets sponsored to play video games, but they have “coaches” and someone pays them to fly around the world to win all the prizes at LAN parties. Which then they immediately turn around to ask the crowd if anyone wants to exchange their high end hardware for dollar bills. Not very good sportsmanship.

So there’s more to it than colors and alias tags. It’s what those represent. Not only the fact you’re allied with something, but the bad reputation that usually goes with having an online alliance. Every member who wears the tags is an ambassador to the clan. It only takes one member to ruin the clan’s reputation at another community. They won’t care about being that user and not the opinion of their alliance. Seeing it as a declaration of immature socializing wars fuels their desire for online drama.

These are the reasons why I’ve never joined a clan for any game before. Sometimes I will favor and frequent particular clan servers if I can enjoy myself there. I’ve thought about starting my own clan, but I can only see strangers “recruiting” other strangers which eventually turns the fellowship into the nightmare drama-fest I hate.


(light_sh4v0r) #23

Which is why the entire clan should be taking part in the process of letting new people in. You should only let people in who everyone likes. This is not about dictatorship, just about creating a fun environment to play in.


(Nikto) #24

well Auzner, best is to steer away from that kind of clan :stuck_out_tongue:


(H0RSE) #25

I never like the term “clan” either. It has a negative connotation. I always preferred the term “guild,” but I guess it doesn’t sound “hardcore” enough for FPS gamers…


(DarkangelUK) #26

It’s always been ‘clan’ from as far back as I can remember, before the MMO guild days. I don’t think it had anything to do with sounding hardcore at the time, and fits what it’s meant to be representing. Any reason you think ‘clan’ is negative? Being Scottish and all, clans date back a very long way and I don’t ever remember it being negative.


(H0RSE) #27

Any reason you think ‘clan’ is negative?

well, for starters…


(Looted) #28

LMFAO!!! wow… that made my day.

anyways, saw a couple people in this thread are from Arizona. Shot out messages to them personally.

Never liked the term “clan” myself, but not for the above mentioned reasons. People tend to think “clans” are all about markings/color schemes/rules/etc etc.

Defiant Dead is a clan my friends and I started. We don’t care what color you wear, we don’t have a required time slot to play, we don’t have tags to put in your name (although we personally decided to affiliate our gamertags), and we really don’t care what your qualms are with other clans.

Essentially, we want to kill alot of Security. If you’d like to assist us in doing so on a semi-regular basis, or you’d just like someone to heal you while you smash a Security Heavy Solider into a pulp, check us out.

http://brink.wikia.com/wiki/Defiant_dead


(THEJORRRG) #29

Oh god, so much to reply to.
Yeah, AZ is ok, mucho cactus
100+ people in a clan is ridiculous, I want to have a team of people I play with over and over.
Not bothered whether clans are good or bad, just wanna try it.
Strict game times are fine, but I’d like invite games at random times.
Prefer a clan that doesn’t get pissed if we lose, and promotes screwing around.
Quit arguing :frowning: lets leave te argument at this: [QUOTE=Yellow Steroid Puff;245141]each his own.[/QUOTE]


(DarkangelUK) #30

That’s a Klan :wink: And ‘clans’ in their original form have been around WAAYYYY before any of that crap… but well I guess if you dwell on negativities you’ll view everything in its negative connotation.


(brbrbr) #31

[sarcasm]
good name for Brink online Clan :wink:
[/sarcasm]
point is Clans is more usually created around friends, frequently playing together, rather than vice versa[ie start playing after join 2 clan].


(H0RSE) #32

The first time I heard “clan” in the gaming world, I immediately thought of the KKK - I still do to this day.


(Apples) #33

[QUOTE=Auzner;245198]You can’t use words like “any” and “anyone” without defining them. You’ve just quantified it as “everyone”. Blanket statements are rarely ever true.

Heh.

I think the word itself (clan) has its own negative implications. For online gaming it usually says to me “this community is ran like in Lord of the Flies.”

What you’re describing is more how children and teenagers run clans. Then there are adults who are at the same maturity level because it allows them to fit in with the children. They haven’t learned how to balance their real life with their video games. They usually lead clans because their job grants them the money to control their own domain and game server. When the clan grows really large the intense manchildren they recruit get very serious about everyone’s rankings and they act as if they really are in an actual national security position. Socializing with nonclan members will get really uncivil, and even amongst the members there’s argument about rank based on forum activity or ingame skill sets.

Even clans that are nothing like this will still attract new members who have this perception that it is this way. New members might subconsciously prepare themselves to accept and emulate this behavior. I’m saying that using the word “clan” for a community who likes to play the same game is almost like infecting it with a virus. New members are joining for the clan drama, not just the gaming. They want people to bestow virtual ranks upon them so they feel they’ve accomplished something. Then there can be uncivil elitist behavior which bullies non members who happen to share their public server.

Competitive clans that have their act together usually have minimal socializing. Or it’s very exclusive and the ranks are ignored but you’ve got people more focused on the game than anything else. They don’t care that your arm will be in a cast for two months, you’re off the team because you can’t help them win anymore. If they’re not a sponsored clan earning money I don’t understand why some people want it like that.

I have never interviewed anyone who gets sponsored to play video games, but they have “coaches” and someone pays them to fly around the world to win all the prizes at LAN parties. Which then they immediately turn around to ask the crowd if anyone wants to exchange their high end hardware for dollar bills. Not very good sportsmanship.

So there’s more to it than colors and alias tags. It’s what those represent. Not only the fact you’re allied with something, but the bad reputation that usually goes with having an online alliance. Every member who wears the tags is an ambassador to the clan. It only takes one member to ruin the clan’s reputation at another community. They won’t care about being that user and not the opinion of their alliance. Seeing it as a declaration of immature socializing wars fuels their desire for online drama.

These are the reasons why I’ve never joined a clan for any game before. Sometimes I will favor and frequent particular clan servers if I can enjoy myself there. I’ve thought about starting my own clan, but I can only see strangers “recruiting” other strangers which eventually turns the fellowship into the nightmare drama-fest I hate.[/QUOTE]

I find you very elusive, narrow minded and generalising for some troll who is allways itchy about definitions of the words…


(Zanchile) #34

[QUOTE=THEJORRRG;245293]Oh god, so much to reply to.
Yeah, AZ is ok, mucho cactus
100+ people in a clan is ridiculous, I want to have a team of people I play with over and over.
Not bothered whether clans are good or bad, just wanna try it.
Strict game times are fine, but I’d like invite games at random times.
Prefer a clan that doesn’t get pissed if we lose, and promotes screwing around.
Quit arguing :frowning: lets leave te argument at this:[/QUOTE]

well thats not how many people actually participate in forums and such and check up on things. thats closer to 20 id say. plus you have to take into account that we’re multinational.

http://unit-13.org/forums/showthread.php?256-Site-Statistics


(SockDog) #35

To be fair it would help if the members would stop referencing the clan as having over one hundred members. You seem to better described as a community in that regard. Clans for me would be active and committed gamers to play under your banner, not just people who sign up to the forum.

Hey look ma, we’re all in clan SD! :slight_smile:


(Looted) #36

i’m in any clan that targets Unit 13…


(Auzner) #37

Well now we know who was on the other side of this story.

We’re a _____ who plays Brink together

Say clan and I think of the follow up: “We have 8 members and 3 of them are generals, 4 are captains, and one is a private. You have to do (whatever) to qualify. If people don’t beg us to join, in a few months we’ll start trying to recruit random pub players we discover on other clans’ servers. When we get 30 members our forums will be filled with drama and links to youtube videos.”


(Looted) #38

[QUOTE=Auzner;245455]Well now we know who was on the other side of this story.

We’re a _____ who plays Brink together

Say clan and I think of the follow up: “We have 8 members and 3 of them are generals, 4 are captains, and one is a private. You have to do (whatever) to qualify. If people don’t beg us to join, in a few months we’ll start trying to recruit random pub players we discover on other clans’ servers. When we get 30 members our forums will be filled with drama and links to youtube videos.”[/QUOTE]

LOL! way to hit the nail on the head.

myself and the 2 other regulars that i play with are going to the Big Red Night of the Dead concert here in AZ. we do things outside of just gaming. the website and forum we’re working on is more for out of state people and longevity of the “clan”. we plan on playing Halo 24 together when we’re on oxygen and pissing ourselves.
:penguin::penguin::penguin:


(Nikto) #39

[QUOTE=Looted;245457]LOL! way to hit the nail on the head.

myself and the 2 other regulars that i play with are going to the Big Red Night of the Dead concert here in AZ. we do things outside of just gaming. the website and forum we’re working on is more for out of state people and longevity of the “clan”. we plan on playing Halo 24 together when we’re on oxygen and pissing ourselves.
:penguin::penguin::penguin:[/QUOTE]

i am starting to dislike how you seem to know everything about unit-13, or at least pretending to since it seems you to direct everyone’s complaints about so called clans, at unit-13. while most of those complaints can’t be directed to unit-13.

yes, everyone can register on the forum, are they part of the clan? no
applications will be up shortly before Brink releases, and until then, apart from the leader, noone is a member.
since many signed up and have remained silent since, a lot will dissapear once the applications will be up, and we will remain with a core that will play Brink and will have gotten to know eachother.

so stop acting as if unit-13 is a 100+ members clan


(LyndonL) #40

Sorry to say it mate, but your signature goes against what you say.

join Unit 13!
the biggest Brink-clan (security as well as resistance)