Case booster are bull sh!t


(onLooSe) #41

“they are what they say they are”? :smiley: hahahahha… Oh man… they say nothing at all :smiley:

I’m tired of the fact that I don’t know what I have or what I’m buying at all so I’m throwing my time and money at Planetside… at least there everything is crystal clear.

I’m even considering making a grocery store where people can throw money at me with hope to get something to eat… I will spin a wheel and give them drinks and smokes :smiley: It will be pretty good if I’m able to remove the labels from the products, so it’s unknown what crap they contain, but I’m pretty sure they will close me down immediately. I wonder if I will be able to get some money at all, but nowadays people can’t think, so might be successful.


(FlatBeat) #42

There was a post from a dev saying that they stack evenly so each one is worth 3%,its been quoted a few time in other threads


(onLooSe) #43

[quote=“FlatBeat;166737”][quote=“onLooSe;166736”]

“they are what they say they are”? :smiley: hahahahha… Oh man… they say nothing at all :smiley:

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There was a post from a dev saying that they stack evenly so each one is worth 3%,its been quoted a few time in other threads[/quote]

Until it’s written down on the product and exact chances are revealed, how can you claim you know what you are buying? Probably 90 percent of the people playing this game never touch the forums or whatever. Should we just go with “screw them” because they only want and like to play instead of typing and reading for hours?

Start doubting more guys… We live in material world and everything is out to get what you have. People actually do live off other people and this is closed cycle. I’m not typing this stuff for personal gain. I’m typing this so people like you, don’t get disappointed and I still get full with disagrees :smiley:


(FlatBeat) #44

[quote=“onLooSe;166738”][quote=“FlatBeat;166737”][quote=“onLooSe;166736”]

“they are what they say they are”? :smiley: hahahahha… Oh man… they say nothing at all :smiley:

[/quote]

There was a post from a dev saying that they stack evenly so each one is worth 3%,its been quoted a few time in other threads[/quote]

Until it’s written down on the product and exact chances are revealed, how can you claim you know what you are buying? Probably 90 percent of the people playing this game never touch the forums or whatever. Should we just go with “@$!# them” because they only want and like to play instead of typing and reading for hours?

Start doubting more guys… We live in material world and everything is out to get what you have. People actually do live off other people and this is closed cycle. I’m not typing this stuff for personal gain. I’m typing this so people like you, don’t get disappointed and I still get full with disagrees :D[/quote]

I’m not sure what to believe at this point really,I am skeptical of SD’s practices to begin with and this is just adds to it.

In the end I love this game for how it plays and not the bling I get so I’ll keep playing but they definitely aren’t getting any money from me.


(somberPlasma) #45

im fine with them being greedy, im not fine with them lying, making you buy a booster and say it has the same drop rate as something that drop each 3 matches at max, and you play 50 of them and nothing, and when asked on support, just saying “Bad luck bro”.


(Backuplight) #46

I think this is the issue. I’m not looking to grind the game - I’m having fun doing what I’ve done in the game previously, it’s just at some point in the next month I imagine I’ll get a case. If it starts feeling like a grind because the drop takes all your focus, honestly you just lose sight of why you’re playing the game in the first place. Nothing is fun that way! Play4fun.


(Amerika) #47

[quote=“rancid;166712”]RNG is a little dumb, but I’ve just kind of accepted it now. I made a post a while ago which was concerning me in regards to cards doubling up. I did something like 13 trades for Thunder and 12 of them were all the same card. Then I bought 10 expert cases and 6 of them were double up pairs, all 6 for the same merc too. The odds of this happening with RNG just seem so incredibly unlikely to me.

Since Aimee has came out I have done 6 trades for her at bronze or higher and 4 of them have been the F82. 3 of those 4 were all bang smack in a row, all done within the same minute.

This is just one example. This happens all the time. I’m pretty sure the system is bugged somewhere, I can’t believe how many times I get the same card over and over when the odds are so impossibly low of it happening twice never mind 10+ times or more. @Amerika I think it was explained to me how a bugged system might be possible, but I didn’t really understand it nor am I too fussed really.

So be it with the boosters though. Just be patient, it will happen eventually. I got two 100% cases within my first 5 games or something when the event came out yesterday, and then after playing for about another 6 hours yesterday and then another 12 hours today, easily 50+ games all up since my last case, I haven’t had a single one again. It’s just how it is. [/quote]

The semi-quick version of what I think could potentially be wrong is that RNG systems use what’s known as entropy to seed results to try and make them as random as possible (truly random is extremely hard but ballpark works in most cases). There might be a problem, with some setups, and depending on what type of entropy is being gathered and how it’s gathered, might put a spotlight on a potential problem.

I did trade-ups for bronze Aimee cards and I ended up with 8 out of the 9 loadouts with 2 extra of two of the loadouts and one extra of another. The rest were singles. So it appears that the system is working for me. But if Rancid consistently gets the exact same card over and over extremely often, especially if they are done quickly one after another, might mean that it’s not working for him.

What I think could possibly be happening here is that the pool of entropy might not be getting pulled correctly from some sources/hardware because it’s either different or simply not present. An example of this is what happened to Final Fantasy X when it was released on the PS4. On the PS2 version of the game, enemy encounters and fights were randomized using entropy that was pulled from the internal system clock. However, a PS4 doesn’t have an internal system clock and the guys that did the port didn’t catch it. I think that DB might be trying to pull entropy from some pool but depending on the PC it may or may not have enough resources to pull from. Which is why my PC seems to produce proper randomized results and Rancid’s does not. And instead of waiting for more entropy on Rancid’s system so it can produce properly randomized result, it simply spits out what it has at hand to ensure that the client doesn’t have to wait. Which could mean duplicate cards.

Or it might just be super bad luck. Or some other bug. Mostly I’m spitballing but I do have a bit of experience tracking down these types of issues in my line of work so I’m not speaking completely from a position of ignorance. So I’m not saying this is the reason but it’s a potential reason why Rancid and a few others have reported a large amount of consistent repeats which are statistically unlikely.


(BazBling) #48

I have five boosters active as well.
I find it hilarious how some people get a guaranteed case within their first match while others, including me and you, grind for hours and hours without any success whatsoever.

I asked a few people in-game and literally everyone who got a guaranteed case did not have any boosters active.

@RazielWarmonic Is it confirmed that there are no bugs and everything is working as intended?[/quote]

I also have 5 Boosters active and been playing a bunch, had a few regular cases but NO Event Case either sigh i do feel that these boosters are not working as they should be.


(BazBling) #49

“they are what they say they are”? :smiley: hahahahha… Oh man… they say nothing at all :smiley:

I’m tired of the fact that I don’t know what I have or what I’m buying at all so I’m throwing my time and money at Planetside… at least there everything is crystal clear.

I’m even considering making a grocery store where people can throw money at me with hope to get something to eat… I will spin a wheel and give them drinks and smokes :smiley: It will be pretty good if I’m able to remove the labels from the products, so it’s unknown what crap they contain, but I’m pretty sure they will close me down immediately. I wonder if I will be able to get some money at all, but nowadays people can’t think, so might be successful.[/quote]

But Doood… I spent Hundreds of Bucks over there and then came here!! lol


(BazBling) #50

@Amerika That’s interesting, a couple of weeks back i was trynna trade up for a Silver Shotgun Fletcher and i think i got 7 Blishlock loadouts and gave up not all the same card but two pair and a triple :confused: So am not sure what’s going on there.

Back to the isssue of these Boosters not seemingly working correctly i hope someone is going to look into it?


(Jesus) #51

I think this is the issue. I’m not looking to grind the game - I’m having fun doing what I’ve done in the game previously, it’s just at some point in the next month I imagine I’ll get a case. If it starts feeling like a grind because the drop takes all your focus, honestly you just lose sight of why you’re playing the game in the first place. Nothing is fun that way! Play4fun.[/quote]

Different people play for different reason. Thats like pokemon some are battlers some are collectors. I find my pleasure in collecting stuff, and I usually dont mind the grinding for it if it has a valid reward in the end because I know ill be uber glad when ill get it. Here I play for nothing I invest time and effort in the fucking wind. The play for fun thing doesnt hold for me, its an online fps the game is the same everyfucking time. Once in a century something funny happens the rest of the time its always doing the same thing killing the same merc on the same map. Its not a huge rpg there isnt plenty of thing to discover and take fun of. I play cause i want to get dem shiny cards. No reason whatsover. And when we speak about cobalt and stuff its okay because i know Ill be able to get one in the end after crafting all the gold etcetera. With those special edition you dont know shit you might play days for nothing and thats exactly what Im doing. And they sell boosters that dont work somehow. And it really pisses me off. Ive put money in that games in almost every update to support the game but I really start to believe it was wrong and i shouldnt have done it . Bad investement everwhere.


(Randomdeath) #52

What if its the operating system… @Amerika @rancid WHat os are you guys using? I heard this game barely runs with Windows 10… Maybe the bug is on windows 10 but its fine with other windows versions?


(Randomdeath) #53

@Jesus What os are you using?


(BazBling) #54

Am on Windows 7 i specifically have not upgraded to windows 10 because peeps said i may have issues with Dirtybomb.


(Amerika) #55

The game runs perfectly with Windows 10 and has since Win10 launch despite SD saying “it’s not officially supported”. That’s what every company has to say out of the gate with new OS’s as a CYA measure in case issues are found. Don’t get your tech information from Facebook :slight_smile: Also, I am on Win10 and it appears that RNG is working fine for me.


(onLooSe) #56

Looking is not equal to working :smiley: I can look at my house projects and drawings for days and think on them… but not working on them won’t get them finished, so I might just starve. The “we are looking into stuff” attitude here is big concern for me.

Even if they “look” into it might as well just be too late for people wanting nader / sawbonez / arty special skin… Might be even late for the three not top mercs in the next rotation.


(Jesus) #57

@Randomdeath Im using W10


(Randomdeath) #58

@Amerika I dont get any information from Facebook, dude. But if its not os then its either the game, or the cpu. Some older cpus in my experience (what little of it i have) arent as great at crunching bigger/random numbers. And Dirty Bomb is a fairly cpu driven game. Could this be the issue? Im not defending the game, im just trying to rule out anything that isnt the game…


(FlatBeat) #59

While its obviously not possible for us to confirm what you’re saying Amerika I think you have the right idea.RNG is random,yes,but Im starting to suspect that that there is some issue with how the game calculates the odds.I can’t say for sure for tradeups and whatnot because the sample sizes are too small but when someone had a stack of ten and plays 50 matches with no case?There’s something wrong there.

As I said before,I multi tabled online poker for a couple years and got pretty into EV,odds,and variance so I have decent knowledge of how RNG works but something seems a bit off here.The fact that SD has neglected to fix bugs and major issues that have been occurring for months and months makes me suspect that if there truly was a problem they wouldn’t allocate the resources to look into or fix an issue like this.As long as the monetization train keeps moving along why would they?


(Randomdeath) #60

@Faraleth @RazielWarmonic @stayfreshshoe