Buff the MP400

(MiracleofSound) #1

The MP400 feels great but needs a buff in damage. After 5 competative games and tons of normal games i feel with this thing it is kinda hard to take out even a sniper. The other smg counterparts have better stats compared to this thing. If it was buffed to be like the empire 9 (Maybe a bit less damage and a higher fire rate) this would be a truly epic smg. Who agrees?

(Indefinite) #2

It’s specifically meant not to be used as a comparable primary killing machine, but a fallback between a semi-auto pistol and an SMG. Its primary advantage is its run speed compared to other weapons. Like how the KEK and U-ski are tangibly better than the Blishlok, not all weapons are supposed to be equal - in most cases, loadouts with less potent Primary weapons (or secondary, since the MP400 appears as both) are balanced by better or worse Augments to go with it.

(omegaskorpion) #3

The augment balance with weapons is pure bullshit, some of the best weapons have the best loadout cards so its not about augment balance.

And i know that secondary smg is not suppose to be on par with primary ones, but they all could use a tiny buff, expecialy since they are for spesific mercs (and not for all).

MP-400 feels kinda like the worst one, but still has the second best dps in the secondary smg gatedory (the tolem has the worst and empire has the best)
Reason for this could be the accuracy which is pretty bad, the spread gets out of hand fast in my oppinion.

(god1) #4

If anything the machine pistols should be toned down, not up.

(Gi.Am) #5

I like the MP400 my prefered MP. Highest per bullet damage of the secondaries, forgiving firerate and last but not least precision ironsights.

Of course I take a free buff if I can get it. But to be honest gun is fine.

(omegaskorpion) #6

I dont realy understand your point here, while the secondary are strong, they still are weaker than primary smg and have lower DPS and only some mercs get them, for a reason, because otherwise they would be too weak at close-medium range.

Mercs that have secondary smg: Vasili, Proxy, Fletcher, Sparks.

Now they are the current only ones with secondary smg, why?
Because Vasili and Sparks are essetialy snipers and would otherwise would die all the time in close quaters.

Proxy and Fletcher in other hand would suck in medium long range combat with their shotguns, granted they have one smg primary in some loadouts but most of the time its better to have shotgun with them.

Why dont others get them? like Aura?
Because Aura is made to fight only in close quaters and in defending, her abilities help with that.
Secondary smg would be pointles for Rhino, Skyhammer and other fire support already have infinite ammo and good weapons, Sawbones and Bushwakker realy dont need it. Fragger already has good arsenal and Phantom and Nader dont realy need it.

Still, i would like to see some soft buffs for the secondary smg, Mainly because the MP-400 is pretty weak and Empire-9 eats so much ammo to kill mercs. Tolem seems fine.

However this does not mean that i dont want to see pistols being buffed, i realy would like to see heavy pistols and caulden buffed, because they are somewhat bad, or lets just say, not rewarding enough.

(Amerika) #7

The MP400 is crazy good considering it’s a secondary weapon.

(Alchimi) #8

I second this. It’s good enough I feel confident to be offensive as a Vassili and go medium to close range if there’s a teammates with me or alone on a weakened target. I sometime even go in solo if opponents are not very good. Best secondary of the game for the mercs who have it.

(omegaskorpion) #9

I second this. It’s good enough I feel confident to be offensive as a Vassili and go medium to close range if there’s a teammates with me or alone on a weakened target. I sometime even go in solo if opponents are not very good. Best secondary of the game for the mercs who have it.[/quote]

Im not too sure about this, the MP400 seems to have sooner increase to spread than EMPIRE and TOLEM on sustained fire, Which realy kills the deal for me, Also the TOLEM and EMPIRE have more better change to kill multible targets than MP400 (because easier to headshot and bigger mag size). This could be preference tho.
But then again i rarely see people running with MP400 to shoot me, they are usualy using either sniper, other primary or tolem, empire, pistol.

I would like to see buffs to all secondary weapon realy, the M9 over shadows all the other normal pistols and the heavy pistols are either D50 that cant hit anything or Smjüth & Whetsman that also cant hit anything, the simeon however is pretty accurate and good, but i would still use M9 over it.

(i mean, how the hell is the Smjüth & Whetsman any better than Simeon, it has lower accuracy and only 2 more damage, that is kinda same deal as using Felix over MOA)

(SirMurder) #10

I dont realy understand your point here, while the secondary are strong, they still are weaker than primary smg and have lower DPS and only some mercs get them, for a reason, because otherwise they would be too weak at close-medium range.

Mercs that have secondary smg: Vasili, Proxy, Fletcher, Sparks.

Now they are the current only ones with secondary smg, why?
Because Vasili and Sparks are essetialy snipers and would otherwise would die all the time in close quaters.

Proxy and Fletcher in other hand would suck in medium long range combat with their shotguns, granted they have one smg primary in some loadouts but most of the time its better to have shotgun with them.

Why dont others get them? like Aura?
Because Aura is made to fight only in close quaters and in defending, her abilities help with that.
Secondary smg would be pointles for Rhino, Skyhammer and other fire support already have infinite ammo and good weapons, Sawbones and Bushwakker realy dont need it. Fragger already has good arsenal and Phantom and Nader dont realy need it.

Still, i would like to see some soft buffs for the secondary smg, Mainly because the MP-400 is pretty weak and Empire-9 eats so much ammo to kill mercs. Tolem seems fine.

However this does not mean that i dont want to see pistols being buffed, i realy would like to see heavy pistols and caulden buffed, because they are somewhat bad, or lets just say, not rewarding enough. [/quote]

The Tolen MP deals less damage then the MP-400 but it got 5 more bullets so not a that big difference

(MiracleofSound) #11

What i have noticed is that the Mp400 IS a good gun. I love it however, i believe it needs a slight damage upgrade. I play Sparks a ton (To the point i traded up to a cobalt for it) and when i had the mp400 on a gold, i had trouble doing well with it. I am the kind of guy who, even though im a medic, sneaks around everybody and destroys them. With the MP400 it was slmost impossible to do that. The low damage made it extreamly hard to kill even a skyhammer. Then when i traded up to my cobalt Sparks with the Empire9 (In my opinion the best Secondary SMG in the game) once again i started to destroy people again. I had no issues with the default sparks with the Tolen (Even though it has less damage) the extra 5 bullets per mag made it easer to use. I just found (For Sparks) that the MP400 is very hard to use in the kind of flanking or aggressive playstyle.

(god1) #12

In high level play you see Vassilis win duels against Skyhammers with just the MP400 fairly often and you think the machine pistols need a buff?

(MiracleofSound) #13

@god1 Yes. I do think they need a buff. If you think about it, the skyhammers may have taken damage from somebody else. Also where are they at in a situation. Are they hiding in a corner? Behind the EV? Is the skyhammer even paying attention? What weapon does the skyhammer have? Is it the bad burstfire weapon? Im not saying i couldent take out skyhammers with it, i am only saying its hard to. If they are paying attention to you and are shooting you, 9/10 they will win (If they have the m4 or timik, the burstfire gun is bad) The only thing i am saying is that some of the classes with higher HP require you to be more skillfull and have better aim. A Sparks with the Empire9 stands a chance, but with the MP400 it will be harder. I even did a test on a server with a friend for the time it takes with both SMG’s to kill a skyhammer and a rhino. From the information i received from this test i was able to conclude that there was a solid difference between the killtime and damage of the MP400 the TOLEN and the EMPIRE9. The MP400 took the most ammount of time to kill a skyhammer then the TOLEN, and the TOLEN took more time then the EMPIRE9. If i Vassili wins agenst a skyhammer with the MP400 good for him. He may have good aim and the skyhammer doesent. All i have stated is that with my playstyle of flanking and being aggressive, the MP400 is not the gun for the job UNLESS it had a slight damage upgrade.

(god1) #14

No I’m talking about straight up aimduels at a range where both guns do full damage but talking balance on these forums is largely useless, as proven in this thread once again.

(omegaskorpion) #15

Funny thing here is that the Tolem Is suppose to have lower dps than mp400, (and empire has the highest of these 3) but i newer notice it, i can kill up to 3 people with tolem with one mag and quite fast but with the mp400 i cant kill more than one target and then i have 10-5 shots left in the mag and it tooked too much time to kill that dude that im going to die to other 2 that are coming fror me…

There are few thing that i personaly hate in mp400:
Fire rate: same as smg-9 which is other bad weapon (its nerfed crotzni)
Damage: 11, which is 1 lower than the smg-9 and crotzni, but will still make huge difference with that poor fire rate.
Accuracy: starts pretty good but out of nowhere the the spread becomes too big to stay on targe.
Mag size: while the Tolem may have only 5 shots more, it still makes huge difference with that accuracy it has, it can headshot more ofthen to make up that poor damage while mp400 strugles to hit the target.

I take Tolem and Empire-9 over mp400 any day.

(Amerika) #16

I have a vid where I show off the Moa in a pub but it has a ton of straight up duels using the MP400 where I win quite a few 1v1 and 1v2’s with it. It’s definitely strong. I think the machine pistols are actually too strong as secondary weapons.

(watsyurdeal) #17

I have a vid where I show off the Moa in a pub but it has a ton of straight up duels using the MP400 where I win quite a few 1v1 and 1v2’s with it. It’s definitely strong. I think the machine pistols are actually too strong as secondary weapons.[/quote]

I think that’s intentional, notice how they’re typically on Shotgun mercs, Snipers, or light mercs like Sparks.

(MiracleofSound) #18

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I guess im one of the only people who think the MP400 should have a slight buff. Thats good to know that im probs crazy.

(Amerika) #19

Not crazy. You most likely just need more experience with it is all :slight_smile: