Brink : Its time for new Consoles...

(Petrolbomb_Tom) #21

[QUOTE=Tec;293858]Idtech4 - old engine.
There is a limit to how much you can improve the graphics
with that old engine.
That’s why it’s weired that the minimum CPU requirements for Brink
are to high for this old engine (my guess console port).
I’m waiting for the usa guys to start playing it on PC tomorrow
and report back about pc performance and options.

Rage is coming out on september and it uses idtech5.
Believe me you’ll see a huge graphic differences even on your old console.[/QUOTE]

I have too agree…

From reports I have read there does seem to be some ‘issues’ with the graphics for brink running on the consoles (we wait to see the PC version) which seem to be more engine based than console power based.

As the Idtech4 engine used is a modified version of the engine used for Doom 3 on the Xbox (I said Xbox not 360) which was released in 2005 it might explain why the console versions are not looking cutting edge.

I do hope any issues can be resolved with patches in the future and hope this does not impede on anyone’s enjoyment of the game or review scores.

If issues can’t be resolved I feel Splash Damage are going to have tough questions to answer;

  • Why the release of the back was not posponed until the issues were resolved?

  • When they were aware the engine was not fit for purpose?

  • Was there anything they could have done about it?

  • If they concentrated on just one platform would these graphical issues been avoided as Splash Damage are a small developer producing a game of three platforms simultaneously?

  • Why was production not halted and moved over to the Idtech5 engine?

We wait to see what the PC version will run/look like but as we have had not confirmed footage as of yet (with less than a day before release!) I have a slight sinking feeling in my stomach we are in for surprise.

Time will tell if the actual game play is up to par with other Splash Damage titles of the past as this will take a few days/weeks of actual game play for the meta-game to become apparent.

Fingers crossed everyone that this has all been a slight glitch in the system and great things are to come.

(X Trigger I) #22

No it’s not time for new consoles, i’ve only just recently dropped £300 on a 360 slim ><

(Linsolv) #23

I’ve only heard about issues on the 360. I haven’t heard one single thing from PS3 users either way.

(Grampa Murked U) #24

Copied this from another site…

*Website Develop Source has an interesting rumor about the next Xbox console, mainly that it has been spotted (in a PC shell) at an unnamed EA studio.
This makes an interesting story as Nintendo was hoping to be first out of the gate with Project Cafe at E3 this year. If Microsoft drops a megaton and announces a new Xbox (their keynote is before Nintendo’s) it could steal a lot of thunder. Rumors had Nintendo’s Cafe specs only slightly better than current systems, so if the new Xbox blows that away what does Nintendo do? What will Sony do?
http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA

Develop source: New Xbox console on desks at EA

New system could steal Wii 2’s thunder with shock E3 reveal
The successor to the Xbox 360 console is on desks at an unnamed Electronic Arts studio, Develop understands.
The new hardware, sent to EA last month, is a very early build with no casing – it is in fact being stored inside a PC shell.
EA developers are getting to grips with the tech to create first-generation software, Develop has been told.
“Quite often when new consoles come around they’re packaged into a PC shell, but actually what’s inside is an entirely new console,” a senior, trusted, well-placed said.
Microsoft has declined to comment. EA has declined to comment. Develop’s source is not employed at either company.

Article continues below
The source believed, but did not have certain information, that the new Xbox would launch by the end of 2012. The individual expects an announcement will be made, at least in some form, at E3.

SHOW TIME
In March, new data revealed Microsoft was at the early stages in building the successor to the Xbox 360.
The platform owner had advertised new job vacancies such as Graphics Hardware Architect and Performance Engineer for the Xbox Console Architecture Group.
Microsoft’s new hires will be “responsible for defining and delivering next generation console architectures from conception through implementation,” the company said.
The language of the job vacancies suggested a reveal for the console is years away, but Develop’s source says a shock reveal could be weeks away.

“Why let Nintendo steal the thunder in June [At E3]? It doesn’t want to lose momentum. That’s why I think Microsoft is rushing to make an announcement at E3.”
It leads to suspicion that key next-gen projects are underway at Microsoft’s own internal studios. Some project names Develop has seen would suggest a change of guard.

NEXT GENERATION
Specifications for the device are not available, for now. Develop understands that the hardware will feature enhanced support for Kinect with just a couple of alterations.
Over 52 million Xbox consoles have been sold since the system’s launch in May 2005.
Microsoft’s innovative motion controller, Kinect, launched November last year and has buoyed the console’s appeal.*
Ten million Kinect units were sold worldwide as of March this year.
“Kinect will keep the 360 going for a couple of years, but Microsoft knows that if it slows down now it will face trouble,” the source added.

(Petrolbomb_Tom) #25

[QUOTE=Grampa Murked U;293977]Copied this from another site…

*Website Develop Source has an interesting rumor about the next Xbox console, mainly that it has been spotted (in a PC shell) at an unnamed EA studio.
This makes an interesting story as Nintendo was hoping to be first out of the gate with Project Cafe at E3 this year. If Microsoft drops a megaton and announces a new Xbox (their keynote is before Nintendo’s) it could steal a lot of thunder. Rumors had Nintendo’s Cafe specs only slightly better than current systems, so if the new Xbox blows that away what does Nintendo do? What will Sony do?
http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA

Develop source: New Xbox console on desks at EA

New system could steal Wii 2’s thunder with shock E3 reveal
The successor to the Xbox 360 console is on desks at an unnamed Electronic Arts studio, Develop understands.
The new hardware, sent to EA last month, is a very early build with no casing – it is in fact being stored inside a PC shell.
EA developers are getting to grips with the tech to create first-generation software, Develop has been told.
“Quite often when new consoles come around they’re packaged into a PC shell, but actually what’s inside is an entirely new console,” a senior, trusted, well-placed said.
Microsoft has declined to comment. EA has declined to comment. Develop’s source is not employed at either company.

Article continues below
The source believed, but did not have certain information, that the new Xbox would launch by the end of 2012. The individual expects an announcement will be made, at least in some form, at E3.

SHOW TIME
In March, new data revealed Microsoft was at the early stages in building the successor to the Xbox 360.
The platform owner had advertised new job vacancies such as Graphics Hardware Architect and Performance Engineer for the Xbox Console Architecture Group.
Microsoft’s new hires will be “responsible for defining and delivering next generation console architectures from conception through implementation,” the company said.
The language of the job vacancies suggested a reveal for the console is years away, but Develop’s source says a shock reveal could be weeks away.

“Why let Nintendo steal the thunder in June [At E3]? It doesn’t want to lose momentum. That’s why I think Microsoft is rushing to make an announcement at E3.”
It leads to suspicion that key next-gen projects are underway at Microsoft’s own internal studios. Some project names Develop has seen would suggest a change of guard.

NEXT GENERATION
Specifications for the device are not available, for now. Develop understands that the hardware will feature enhanced support for Kinect with just a couple of alterations.
Over 52 million Xbox consoles have been sold since the system’s launch in May 2005.
Microsoft’s innovative motion controller, Kinect, launched November last year and has buoyed the console’s appeal.*
Ten million Kinect units were sold worldwide as of March this year.
“Kinect will keep the 360 going for a couple of years, but Microsoft knows that if it slows down now it will face trouble,” the source added.[/QUOTE]

This might explain why the 360 has had very few 1st party/exclusive releases scheduled for this year or even announced.

(raib) #26

CoD will still sell like hot cakes with little to no graphical updates so why bother making new consoles

really though, I agree

(throwback8) #27

You act as if Brink is the pinnacle of console graphics. And Splash Damage couldn’t do what they wanted because of the hardware? SD chose to concentrate on evolving the FPS in gameplay terms, rather than make every animation and texture perfect. We do need new consoles soon, but I find it quite funny that you are using Brink not being the best looking game to justify your argument.

I can think of an online beta on 360 I am currently playing that technically could be said to have much better graphics than Brink. So let’s drop the whole “SD couldn’t do what they wanted because of the 360 limitations”, because other companies have squeezed much more power out of the system. Lets remember all, this is their first forray into console gaming, and they obviously chose to concentrate on balance and amazing gameplay, as opposed to knocking your socks off animations and graphics.

I had to get that out, glad you are enjoying the game though. I haven’t been as stoked for a tuesday morning in quite a while.

(Grampa Murked U) #28

jd[QUOTE=raib;293988]CoD will still sell like hot cakes with little to no graphical updates so why bother making new consoles

really though, I agree[/QUOTE]

Since when do cod sales equal profit for Microsoft?

(system) #29

No, the Container City walkthrough was confirmed to be PC with Gamepad. Only newer gameplay videos are from consoles.

(Bakewell) #30

EA have already squashed the rumour of a new xbox at their studios. Whatever website you pulled that info from should probably update their stories.

(throwback8) #31

[QUOTE=raib;293988]CoD will still sell like hot cakes with little to no graphical updates so why bother making new consoles

really though, I agree[/QUOTE]

In fact, COD players will settle for a downgrade in graphics. IMHO MW2 looked much better than Black Oops, yet everyone still eats it up.

(raib) #32

[QUOTE=Grampa Murked U;293992]jd

Since when do cod sales equal profit for Microsoft?[/QUOTE]

Royalties?

They sell consoles at a loss so they must make their profit off game sales.

That’s the joke (:

(dazman76) #33

[QUOTE=Grampa Murked U;293992]jd

Since when do cod sales equal profit for Microsoft?[/QUOTE]

MS earn a cut of every game copy produced for the 360 due to third-party licensing terms, just as Sony do on the PS3, and Nintendo do on the Wii :slight_smile: John Carmack made the comment that id had worked hard on reducing the size of Rage, because Microsoft “want more money for each additional disc in the box”.

(Petrolbomb_Tom) #34

Oh, that does make sense why graphic fidelity seemed to have changed since the release of this video.

Maybe more PC footage has not been released to avoid side by side graphical comparisons of different platforms.

Thanks YoungGuns :slight_smile:

(Grampa Murked U) #35

So EA said they don’t have a secret in their offices? Of course they are going to deny it. Duh

Not saying the story is true but if it were wouldn’t you expect a denial?

(Grampa Murked U) #36

I guess you guys are right. Since they make a few dollars off games why bother trying to beat Sony or Nintendo to the console release race. Makes perfect sense…

(Mustang) #37

PS3 users are apparently having issues playing online :smiley:
Urm, PC it is?

(TheBIG_Lebowski) #38

Consoles havent even had the most brought out of them yet. Its up to the developer of a game to make it bleed an amazing quality. The consoles are at a good point in their history so far. Dont expect to even hear of new consoles untill maybe this years E3, or even next year. Also wait for the day one patch that you are playing without and then see how much things have changed.

(TheBIG_Lebowski) #39

[QUOTE=Mustang;294035]PS3 users are apparently having issues playing online :smiley:
[/QUOTE]

Burn. Sucks for us PS3 players, I read an article online this morning that says Sony thinks it may be untill the end of the month till they get PSN back online. :eek:

(angemon) #40

Ok. I was a guest visiting this forum regularly. I just signed up to say that I agree with OP.