Balance patch note is here !

[aminuseternal]

@Sorotia oops
time for face palm.

[Szakalot]

@Xenithos 120hp Phoenix heal is only
possible with potent packs and full charge. Phoenix full charge has longer cooldown than 7s.

Check your ingame data, indeed.

[Ptiloui]

@Xenithos said:

@neverplayseriou said:
Nowhere did I mention that sd should listen to me, I’m talking about the comp scene and if you you think Phoenix is the strongest medic then that says enough about your game knowledge.

What, do you feel Sawbonez is the strongest medic? Despite your calling for Hochfir nerfs several times and the fact that Phoenix owns that gun while Sawbonez does not? And Phoenix moves faster, has instant healing, and with the right cards can heal people 120 hp every 7 seconds? Which is on par with a Sawbonez pack (w/ extra supplies) but to all allies in his reach with again… INSTANT HEAL?

But, do you REALLY need to full heal all of your teammates every 7 seconds ? If yes, your teammates have a serious problem. In SW mode, that means you have to full heal at least 3 times per spawn waves.

And with Sawbonez, you can “stock” medpack by putting them on the ground in corners.

[neverplayseriou]

120hp can’t even get a fragger up to full, the main reason why you take a medic that isn’t aura or sparks is to pocket a fragger in a push, even if the cd for 120hp would ‘only’ be 7 seconds it would be way to long, Sawbonez can store 3 medpacks that can fully heal fragger.

[Sorotia]

@Xenithos said:

@neverplayseriou said:
Nowhere did I mention that sd should listen to me, I’m talking about the comp scene and if you you think Phoenix is the strongest medic then that says enough about your game knowledge.

What, do you feel Sawbonez is the strongest medic? Despite your calling for Hochfir nerfs several times and the fact that Phoenix owns that gun while Sawbonez does not? And Phoenix moves faster, has instant healing, and with the right cards can heal people 120 hp every 7 seconds? Which is on par with a Sawbonez pack (w/ extra supplies) but to all allies in his reach with again… INSTANT HEAL?

My game knowledge is just fine, and it was clearly an opinion when made since I would remove Aura from strongest medic at this point. Her healstation is no longer an unkillable beacon of explosions and firepower. At least come forward with your own opinion and why, rather than simply insulting people…

Itsn’t it obvious what his opinion is?

Stuff kills him so he wants it nerfed, stuff he plays he wants buffed. Simple as that lol

His fragile ego can’t handle anything that kills him…so it should be nerfed.

Judging by his hate of Javelin and Guardian even before she was released, I’m guessing he is your typical spammer, probably Proxy or Nader…which is especially why he hates Javelin with her gibbing and Guardian with her drone…he can’t get any kills if his nade spam is shot down!

You know…totally unfair!

[GatoCommodore]

after testing the changes, BR-16 is still good
Stark is dog poo

all shotgun barely deal damage and only fletcher-anhuld is currently good since he has stickies and the anhuld can deal good damage on medium range.

also SMG-9 is still poo-poo gun. Just revert the damn thing and give it more spare magazine.

[Xenithos]

@Szakalot said:
@Xenithos 120hp Phoenix revive is only
possible with potent packs and full charge. Phoenix full charge has longer cooldown than 7s.

Check your ingame data, indeed.

Szkalot, that’s the only card any great Phoenix for medicking plays. Go see Phoenix You’re Doing it Wrong.
Edit: GO read my post, I very clearly said that WITH CERTAIN CARDS can: - AND compared to Sawbonez with an extra supplies as well. You literally disagreed with me for the very thing that I know exactly the numbers for. 7.6 seconds at exactly full charge. Unless it’s 8 and I’m off.

[Xenithos]

@Ptiloui said:

@Xenithos said:

@neverplayseriou said:
Nowhere did I mention that sd should listen to me, I’m talking about the comp scene and if you you think Phoenix is the strongest medic then that says enough about your game knowledge.

What, do you feel Sawbonez is the strongest medic? Despite your calling for Hochfir nerfs several times and the fact that Phoenix owns that gun while Sawbonez does not? And Phoenix moves faster, has instant healing, and with the right cards can heal people 120 hp every 7 seconds? Which is on par with a Sawbonez pack (w/ extra supplies) but to all allies in his reach with again… INSTANT HEAL?

But, do you REALLY need to full heal all of your teammates every 7 seconds ? If yes, your teammates have a serious problem. In SW mode, that means you have to full heal at least 3 times per spawn waves.

And with Sawbonez, you can “stock” medpack by putting them on the ground in corners.

They start disappearing over time, just like ammo. His medpacks take time to heal and if you get hit by a medpack while in combat it’s basically a 20-50 hp amount of heal… Anyway I nowhere said that you should have to heal all teammates to 120 hp every 7 seconds, I simply was trying to point out his healing power is more than enough when used by a skilled player compared to Sawbonez.

[Xenithos]

@neverplayseriou said:
120hp can’t even get a fragger up to full, the main reason why you take a medic that isn’t aura or sparks is to pocket a fragger in a push, even if the cd for 120hp would ‘only’ be 7 seconds it would be way to long, Sawbonez can store 3 medpacks that can fully heal fragger.

… if your fragger is at less than 20hp, that’s not good. I challenge you to go and seriously try Phoenix in active combat in Ranked.

[Xenithos]

@Sorotia said:

@Xenithos said:

@neverplayseriou said:
Nowhere did I mention that sd should listen to me, I’m talking about the comp scene and if you you think Phoenix is the strongest medic then that says enough about your game knowledge.

What, do you feel Sawbonez is the strongest medic? Despite your calling for Hochfir nerfs several times and the fact that Phoenix owns that gun while Sawbonez does not? And Phoenix moves faster, has instant healing, and with the right cards can heal people 120 hp every 7 seconds? Which is on par with a Sawbonez pack (w/ extra supplies) but to all allies in his reach with again… INSTANT HEAL?

My game knowledge is just fine, and it was clearly an opinion when made since I would remove Aura from strongest medic at this point. Her healstation is no longer an unkillable beacon of explosions and firepower. At least come forward with your own opinion and why, rather than simply insulting people…

Itsn’t it obvious what his opinion is?

Stuff kills him so he wants it nerfed, stuff he plays he wants buffed. Simple as that lol

His fragile ego can’t handle anything that kills him…so it should be nerfed.

Judging by his hate of Javelin and Guardian even before she was released, I’m guessing he is your typical spammer, probably Proxy or Nader…which is especially why he hates Javelin with her gibbing and Guardian with her drone…he can’t get any kills if his nade spam is shot down!

You know…totally unfair!

That was rather insulting of you, which was not my efforts. I thank you for your humor, but I’m pretty sure neverplayserious used to snipe and do more of the pinpoint characters when he was still playing. He was good, but I don’t think he knows healers in DB as well as he thinks he does. Sawbonez isn’t the same as he was a year ago.

[LifeupOmega]

@GatoCommodore said:
also SMG-9 is still poo-poo gun. Just revert the damn thing and give it more spare magazine.

Nonsensical. It’s shit but better than it used to be. Doesn’t need an extra magazine.

[Sorotia]

@Xenithos said:

@Sorotia said:

@Xenithos said:

@neverplayseriou said:
Nowhere did I mention that sd should listen to me, I’m talking about the comp scene and if you you think Phoenix is the strongest medic then that says enough about your game knowledge.

What, do you feel Sawbonez is the strongest medic? Despite your calling for Hochfir nerfs several times and the fact that Phoenix owns that gun while Sawbonez does not? And Phoenix moves faster, has instant healing, and with the right cards can heal people 120 hp every 7 seconds? Which is on par with a Sawbonez pack (w/ extra supplies) but to all allies in his reach with again… INSTANT HEAL?

My game knowledge is just fine, and it was clearly an opinion when made since I would remove Aura from strongest medic at this point. Her healstation is no longer an unkillable beacon of explosions and firepower. At least come forward with your own opinion and why, rather than simply insulting people…

Itsn’t it obvious what his opinion is?

Stuff kills him so he wants it nerfed, stuff he plays he wants buffed. Simple as that lol

His fragile ego can’t handle anything that kills him…so it should be nerfed.

Judging by his hate of Javelin and Guardian even before she was released, I’m guessing he is your typical spammer, probably Proxy or Nader…which is especially why he hates Javelin with her gibbing and Guardian with her drone…he can’t get any kills if his nade spam is shot down!

You know…totally unfair!

That was rather insulting of you, which was not my efforts. I thank you for your humor, but I’m pretty sure neverplayserious used to snipe and do more of the pinpoint characters when he was still playing. He was good, but I don’t think he knows healers in DB as well as he thinks he does. Sawbonez isn’t the same as he was a year ago.

Just like it’s insulting of him to call people wrong about a game he doesn’t even play that he himself called crap?

Telling people he knows better than the people actually playing the game?

If he actually played Sniper then it’s obvious his ego can’t handle anything but his precious rifles 1 shot killing anyone.

Wants Sparks nerfed because she can snipe without a Sniper rifle…wants Javelin nerfed because her rocket can one shot people from range…he can’t handle anyone actually being able to counter him from range.

[neverplayseriou]

Never even seriously played Sniper, but feel free to go ahead with your uninformed guesses sorotia. It’s already been clear throughout this entire discussion that you have no clue about how db actually works and can only speculate random crap about me.

[Xenithos]

He had Vassili as his avatar on these forums for forever, which is why I assumed it, I’m pretty sure though from most of what he comments on pages that he did in fact at least PLAY snipers and pinpoint, meaning he relied on weapons and not abilities. Sorotia assumed off of what I said that you were a sniper.
Anyway, I’m just done talking now. There’s no point.

[Szakalot]

@Xenithos said:

@Szakalot said:
@Xenithos 120hp Phoenix revive is only
possible with potent packs and full charge. Phoenix full charge has longer cooldown than 7s.

Check your ingame data, indeed.

Szkalot, that’s the only card any great Phoenix for medicking plays. Go see Phoenix You’re Doing it Wrong.
Edit: GO read my post, I very clearly saidn that WITH CERTAIN CARDS can: - AND compared to Sawbonez with an extra supplies as well. You literally disagreed with me for the very thing that I know exactly the numbers for. 7.6 seconds at exactly full charge. Unless it’s 8 and I’m off.

My bad its ‘heal’ not ‘revive’.

I think there is only one card in the entire game with potent packs and extra supplies, with a hochfir. Full charge without extra supplies is about ~12sec, so provided extra supplies work right, 20% of cooldown gives you about 9.4sec at full charge for 120hp heal. Or is the perk bugged, and extra supplies shave off more of the cooldown?

I’m not gonna go anywhere, no thanks.

[CombatMist]

@neverplayseriou said:
Random Fragger nerf…
Rather than implementing merc limits and putting the health station on cd once its destroyed they also implement a random nerf…
Felix being able to instagib…

Fairly dissapointing merc adjustments, hoping the burst rifle, shotgun, sniper and dreiss changes will make an impact.
And where’s the hochfir, sparks and turtle nerf…

Agree and disagree. yes a way to fix the fragger problem is merc limits. Just limit how many times a merc can be on a team roster to 3. No more no less. The way to manage this is if a team during pregame has more than 3 it displays a warning saying “too many of merc x on team roster. Please change to a different merc or the system will randomly change players out of that merc to a random different merc they have access to until the limit is reached”. So if you dont change your fragger then it could be changed to any merc you have access to randomly and you are given say 15 seconds to make this change.

The nerf to healing station is the 2nd this year! This patch could really hurt rhino with less healing, less crits and changed shot guns. Rip rhino for competitive and this really hurt fragger and thunder also. Yes easy fix to make med station and all deployables go on cool down once destroyed not just over time. So that med station that just got nuked well you need to wait what 20 seconds to deploy it have a nice day. Those 2 proxy mines you have well until 1 goes boom or is reclaimed your not making mines. It would make spamming of deployables much less and more tactical.

[Sorotia]

@neverplayseriou said:
Never even seriously played Sniper, but feel free to go ahead with your uninformed guesses sorotia. It’s already been clear throughout this entire discussion that you have no clue about how db actually works and can only speculate random crap about me.

Says the person who called a FPS a Moba…so petty you got your little buddy squad hitting the disagree button with every post I make.

You’re a sad sad little boy…why don’t you grow up and try and be a man and move on…you obviously can’t handle this game…but you can’t seem to let it go either.

Like a jilted lover constantly staring at the picture of his ex…just move on…obviously Dirty Bomb is to much for you to handle. Maybe some single player shooters on easy mode would be more your speed…

[CombatMist]

@Ptiloui said:
The reduced CD for Skybro is welcomed, now there’s Guardian.

Dont nerf my Guardian! She is already crippled by bugs from day 1.

[CombatMist]

@BBBadger said:

@Ptiloui said:

Still wonder if Proxy’s mine count as an explosive ?

It does.

If she tries the ‘mine toss -> shoot’ thing, but dies from the blast, she’s gibbed.

Hm 2nd proxy pizza nerf in the last hm 2 months. Guess they really hate her. Messing up her shotguns and all. Guess they really hate proxy. O well she had a good run but RIP PROXY her time to shine is over.

[CombatMist]

RIP jav with more nerfing to rocket and 2/3 her primary weapons. Wow they really over did it this time. Im no jav fan and if you had asked me 2 months ago Id have leaped for join at jave nerfs. They went too far. They just keep chipping away with the nerf bat 1 corner at a time. The ammo nerf was totally uncalled for to be that extreme. It sounds mostly acceptable now considering its trade offs of always on and no button to press. The repeated rocket nerfs will make it terrible. The only thing needed to nerf the rocket from day 1 was the GIB to 100, delay nerf and reduce damage to 185 (-7.5% damage). Thats it. No more was needed at all. Instead of a proper damage nerf they just keep nerfing everything but the real issue. Lets nerf the aoe range, velocity, add a silly laser pointer and sound indicator and more things that all avoid the real problem with bandages. I was starting to think fragger was a better jav than jav. Now with the significant fragger nerf id say jav is again winning that duel.

To those who complained fragger frags were too spammy well I guess you didnt know that originally he could hold 2! ya 2! Imagine that carnage. From what I hear he was dominating just about every merc so they reduced it to 1 frag and buffed it. Now they are nerfing it again. Poor fragger. Poor fragger. You had a good run but with 2 significant ability nerfs and 1 primary nerf and med station nerf RIP fragger. Had his time as king but thats done now. With both jav and fragger nerfed I dont know which Id rather have on my team. 1 who does not give enough ammo or 1 who offers little than straight combat? Well Guardian will be even better vs both of them. So thats great.