Automatic Shuffle

[GatoCommodore]

@Begin2018 said:
That’s funny how most issues are in reality the same issue, then fixed by the same solution : Min/Max level servers…

explain

[ClemClem7]

@Theel said:
I have 4 different experiences with the shuffle teams by skill system.

1. The teams don’t actually shuffle by skill, it just swaps the players so the “better” team is on the losing side. Pretty much forcing them to beat their own time, which usually results in a loss for them. This is extremely rage inducing as usually the server will go super toxic after this happens. The server will be empty within minutes (unless replacement fill it quickly enough, which seems to be getting more rare these days).

That’s often when teams are balanced and shuffle wasn’t needed. If the shuffle pass on such a game, it’s the players who paged up who are to blame.

Also usually a skilled player that ends up on a team he doesn’t want to be on will go limp and hide until someone on his team rages and his friend can swap. I’ll admit I do this all the time as I think the shuffle teams thing is the single worst thing about DB right now.

If you want to play with a friend, go use CMM as it has a party function.

3. The **** over of the best player. Countless games I’ve seen a last minute shuffle and all it does is force the winning team’s best player over to losing team. This has 2 outcomes, the player raging or going limp. It has absolutely no change to the outcome of the match and all it does is piss off the best player of the game.

Veterans players tend to not care about winning or losing. They just want to have a balanced game because thats when you have the more fun. Last minute shuffle shoiukdnt be a thing, and is in most cases avoided with shuffle time limit (they should do a “no second half shuffle” rule on stopwatch)

4. My friends and I all manage to get on the same team and a shuffle is forced on us, we have 2 on one team and 1 on the other after the shuffle. All we do is wait until there is room for the loner to switch at which point the teams are basically unfair again as we are all on the same team. Effectively making the shuffle completely useless. The friend team stack will usually cause rage among the rest of the players and another shuffle will be attempted. This will usually fail, but sometimes if it passes the situation ends up like #2 above. Or one of us going limp or even trolling the team. This might lead to a kick of the lone player trolling his team, this is when war is declared and the real toxicity starts.

Again, if you want to Play as a party, CMM is the game mode you’re looking for. Don’t waste our time starting to play toxic just because you want to play with your friends.

I am openly telling you of our toxic actions because honestly I’m not proud of them. I don’t find myself to be this type of player in most games.

If you don’t want the community or us players to be so toxic, then I suggest you remove the most toxic inducing part of server browser play. The shuffle teams by skill vote.

Or stop using server browser when playing with your friends or accept to play against them.

Sorry if I look angry but I’m tired of people screwing good games because they can’t stand losing/playing-against-friends/be-useful-for-the-team-and-not-practicing-trickjumps

[Begin2018]

Pre-match shuffle isn’t in “Hunter update”??

[Salutolito]

I wanted to create a similar thread, but then I found this one.

DB should really look into this, I mean I’ve played at Stopwatch and sometimes players just get AFK (heads-up for the autokick there) or quits and you’ve unbalanced teams and the other team gets even into your spawnarea and just kills the team over and over for plenty of minutes, you try to launch a vote for a shuffle, but they don’t vote yes for it and yeah, I mean, should really be something in the script noticing this, sure, new players joins quickly, but not everytime and then you’re in trouble with that super unbalance, so there should definitely be an automatic shuffle done if too long short of players or if your team hasn’t gotten the first objective done in a certain timelimit, just like the shuffle at Lobby and the one when game starts if the script noticing this to make the game more interesting and not about free XP farming.

And I like this as well:

DB should definitely have some sort of auto-shuffle, or even just an auto-forfeit mechanic if things get too bad.
But having it after 3 failed shuffles just opens it up to abuse from trolls.

Something based on XP divide might be better and easier to implement, since balanced teams tend to have similar scores. For stopwatch, might as well just make it so the teams automatically if the attackers can’t finish an objective in a certain amount of time, sorta like in objective mode