Auto clickers


(Ghosthree3) #41

[quote=“lavaJukebox;32832”]We should get a GM or dev to explain which is allowed and which will get you banned.

I dont think anyone gets banned for using the macro functions that come with a gaming keyboard or gaming mouse, this is very popular in gaming hardware and it basically means anyone with a gaming mouse/keyboard will get banned.

i think people get banned for using autoscripts and macroscripts.
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Well considering the “things that will get you banned” list has autohotkey in it, I think it’s safe to say macros are not allowed.

Gaming keyboards are pretty bad, and promoting the use of terrible macros is just one of the things that make them so. Also it’s pretty gimicky.


(Amerika) #42

This sounds an awful lot like a hot button topic from a few years back in regards to fighting games. Quite a few controllers (pads and sticks) offered turbo functions and some games (ex: Street Fighter) had a few moves that could benefit with the use of turbo. So turbo has been banned mostly banned at every single competitive event and is highly frowned upon.

Some tried to argue that it only allowed people to do the same things they were already doing and didn’t offer an advantage. While others argued that doing those moves consistently in a stressful environment, like a tournament match, was made much easier due to turbo.

This topic sounds pretty similar. But sadly, unlike FGC tournaments, it’s a lot harder to ban without seriously affecting people. Many people use a lot of macros for work and computing in general and if you flat out ban the programs that control them then that’s no good. So the only way to properly combat it is to have the game or AC look for inhumanly fast and timed clicks. I have no clue if XIGNcode can do that and I can’t think of a good way for the game to do it without causing potential issues.


(Dirmagnos) #43

[quote=“lavaJukebox;32832”]We should get a GM or dev to explain which is allowed and which will get you banned.

I dont think anyone gets banned for using the macro functions that come with a gaming keyboard or gaming mouse, this is very popular in gaming hardware and it basically means anyone with a gaming mouse/keyboard will get banned.

i think people get banned for using autoscripts and macroscripts.
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Yes, it would be best, GM explanation thingie.
No gaming gaming keyboard or mouse come with macro functions, they come with programs that enable usage of those macroses with sad hardware.
Main difference between gaming mouse/keyboard and non-gaming keyboard/mouse macro programs is supplier of those programs.
And the fact that gaming hardware may come with macro programs included in bundle dosnt mean that they should be allowed to be used. By that flawed logic any loser who buys premius hacks should be allowed to use them simply because he payd a few bucks for them.
Game has certain requirements that allow players to play them, and there is nothing in there about having gaming mouse or keyboard or macro programs that come with them. Especially considering that more advanced programs allow users to perform a variety of clearly forbidden funcrions, like recoil compensation.
And every gaming mouse or keyboard can be used without any of included macro programs active, by simply using appropriate drivers that allow functionality of additonal functions like extra buttons. And often all those extra buttons work just fine even without any additional installations.


(elfishPentacle) #44

I was looking for information about controllers and ended up with this near the top of my search. Go figure.

One thing about macros though is that they aren’t always harmful.

For example, I have a macro that switches my bindings when I hit certain keys. This allows me to do things like type with my controller.

The main thing I like about gaming keyboards and mice is they tend to have extra buttons that can be used for keybinding, so I end up using those ‘macro’ keys as more convenient buttons (since they tend to be near the ctrl/shift/alt keys).

One macro I do use; however, that gives me an advantage is fast settings. Switch sensitivity on the fly and such.

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Also a nice feature of macros is double keybinding. This is important for games without built-in controller support. While it doesn’t give true context based keybinds, it does allow for something similar. For example: I might key my O button to be the interact button by default and if the interact fails, to have it act as the reload button. I might key my triangle button to be the switch weapons up button by default, but if I hold it, it acts as switch between primary and secondary weapons instead.

Or perhaps I might make it so that holding L1 shifts what some buttons do temporarily while tapping L1 then holding L1 does a different shift (ie: a mode where I can activate voice commands quickly).

As an example, I might set it up so that hitting select, then L1, then R1, then holding L1 will act as an “enter” key (aka start up chat) and switch my controller to pseudo-keyboard mode. Doing the same thing in reverse might switch it back to play mode.

While in keyboard mode, hitting circle then triangle then square might give me a capital A. X instead of square might get me a lower case a. triangle then three circles might be b. (in case you haven’t noticed, circle would be a dot and triangle would be a dash in these cases and square/x would determine ‘upper’ or ‘lower’ case).

This is only realistically possible with macros or a heavily customized controller, which tends to run about 1000 USD or so? (Since it essentially has to be made specifically for you).

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As a note, no I haven’t used a macro with Dirty Bomb. I generally don’t use macros for competitive things aside from automatic functions built into my body and mind. Essentially it is sort of like when you zone out while doing tedious work and your body just keeps going except on purpose.

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Also, as an fyi, I can hit my mouse button fast enough that it looks like I’m using an autoclicker. Though the way I do that is a bit different (essentially, I’m imitating an illness that causes your body to shake really fast). Well, I can hit a key fairly fast also, but none of my keyboards so far can handle that many hits in a short time without skipping some inputs.

Considering this is Nexon NA we are talking about, I somehow doubt that the actual cheaters are being banned, looking at history. A few thousand people banned, mostly people that weren’t pay players, all the known cheaters were untouched. People sent in video proof of people hacking, no bans, no suspensions. (This was public knowledge, not support tickets).

Support tickets were worse, but that is all I will say about those.


(Ghosthree3) #45

I doubt you can do this while maintaining your normal level of mouse aim though.


(elfishPentacle) #46

I doubt you can do this while maintaining your normal level of mouse aim though.[/quote]

You’d be surprised at the level of aim you can have if you use two mice. One with the movement function disabled.


(Ghosthree3) #47

I’ll admit that I did forget about three armed people. My bad there.


(watsyurdeal) #48

So what are you going to do, ban Synapse? How about you keep a track record of how fast people are clicking the button?

If the game notices it’s the same speed 100% of the time, prob a bot. If not, probably not a bot.

Computers are like highly intelligent kids, they’ll do exactly what you tell them to, just don’t be surprised if it’s not the result you were looking for.

Also, there’s the practicality argument, are people really going to have this for every semi auto weapon? Or for every burst fire weapon? I don’t think so, nothing beats a normal steady hand. Obviously trigger bots, aim bots, etc, shouldn’t be allowed, but macros like this…it’s iffy.

Not really much we can do atm to stop them, but then again, I can’t see people using this on a normal basis.


(Verum) #49

im intrigued by this, are autoclicker banneable or not? i have some motricity issues in my right hand due some carpian tunel issue, i can play well with auto weapons, but i strugle with semi-autos, so any help would be awesome


(Faraleth) #50

@Verum Don’t necro-bump please. The game doesn’t even use the same anti-cheat mentioned in the post anymore. Auto-clickers are ban-able too, yes, sorry! :frowning: