Any tips for the m4a1 and kek-10?

moonlitAbility · 2015-08-04 16:37:25 UTC

Hey guys… This is going to seem like a wierd question. But, after playing a ton with kira/aura/arty/fletcher, ive gotten used to burst/semi auto rifles and shottys. The issue im having is I totally suck whenever I have skyhammer or bushwacker quests trying to use the m4 or kek.

I know both of these guns are much beloved. It seems when i’m on the receiving end of them, from any range, they act like lazers and destroy my head in like 2 seconds from the hip. But it seems when I use them, I aim for the head, squeeze the trigger and hold it down, yet somehow more often than not end up dead with my opponent at like 40+% health.

So what am i doing wrong? Im a solid enough aimer/tracker, I can nail headshots all day with the burst rifles. Do you need to do smaller controlled bursts with these weapons? aim for the body so that it recoils up to the head? any tips for mid/long range?

thanks

Eox · 2015-08-04 18:10:52 UTC

You just probably need more training. Or tracking someone with your reticle is just not your playstyle. There’s no magic trick with those two weapons as far as I know. Do you feel okay with your mouse sensitivity at the moment ? You may want to change it if you find it a tad bit fast or slow.

Yak · 2015-08-04 21:53:45 UTC

It seems that while your good at aiming from the other weapons, your ability to fight gun kick might be weak, because unlike all the guns you’ve used before, these kick constantly and require constant fighting to keep them on target. I suggest just playing more with them, practice always helps.

cornJester · 2015-08-05 00:37:11 UTC

I never just “hold it down.” Even a laser beam like weapon will become inaccurate from continuous fire. I would still fire in bursts unless I was very close to my enemy. I believe doing so would help you a lot.

_LOST_KillerBee · 2015-08-05 02:07:39 UTC

Well, in my opinion and from personal experience, sounds like you’re way too used to burst weapons. I typically use bushwhacker 80% of the time with his kek and its amazingly accurate as you say. It’s a laser lol. It requires not much skill.

That being said, I’ve tried Kira’s burst(what looks like to me) AUG. It’s basically a three shot burst headshot machine. Getting headshots with burst weapons is extremely easy. So it’s a big jump from the auto rifle to a burst one.

My tip for you when using the m4a1 and kek is to spray. That’s basically all they’re good for. I typically spray both and aim for both shots unless I’m sure I can out aim my opponent and then I will aim for the 3-4 headshots to get the kill. If you find yourself missing the head shots I would advise to strictly aim for the chest as sometimes while the opponent is trying to dodge your bullets he will crouch and that means headshot. And if he jumps, you’re still getting decent body shots in. I also tend to zoom in with every weapon I use, rather burst or auto, simply because it helps me aim better on targets that aren’t moving that much.

Suave · 2015-08-05 12:47:03 UTC

Imho the weapons you named are the easiest weapons to used in the game, probably the easiest in many other FPS-games, you can go full auto and still be REALLY accurate.
kek-10 has loads of bullets so it doesn’t matter if you miss the initial hit u just start tracking after that.
The M4 is amazing especially on Skyhammer with fast reload and infinite ammo, you can REALLY give covering fire to your team.

Suave

moonlitAbility · 2015-08-05 15:32:15 UTC

So I think all of this might be it… all my experience with slower fire semi auto weapons has gimped me with the automatics lol. I think i full auto a little too much, and i have to work on leading/fighting kick a bit more I think.

Part of it too might be in my mind I think the m4 is such a superior weapon that i start playing all yolo rambo with it too. the burst rifles might force me to play a little better of the shoot and move game

scavazzi4 · 2015-08-05 15:34:54 UTC

M4 and kek are very different weapons.
With m4 i recommend going full auto and aim down sights only at very long range to achieve more headshots.
Kek blooms very quickly now so make the first shots count with some heashots then spray to the body.
With kek start aiming at medium range if enemies aren’t aware of you.
Tap firing is also good to compensate spread.

Ottah · 2015-08-05 15:51:42 UTC

Just track heads, fire full auto and ADS when you get near the end of your clip. the M4A1 is a godlike weapon. Also if you know enemies will peek and try to shoot you, dont be afraid to start shooting and walk around the corner and just empty entire clips in their way. why not, you basicly have unlimited ammo as skyhammer.

Amerika · 2015-08-05 16:06:40 UTC

Well, I just so happen to have a couple of videos that I can share that shows how to use the M4 and the Kek10 rather efficiently. The M4 video is of me playing a pub using Skyhammer and the Kek10 is me playing Phantom with the Kek10 (and no, I’m not melee’ing in the video). One of the main things you have to learn is when to use ADS and when not to. ADS is useful only in short windows and when you ADS you have to learn to pull down on your mouse if you’re going to keep firing more than a few shots.

M4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lOhq34cgw

Kek10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwE0m-sBes

_eXo_Deeds · 2015-08-05 16:53:17 UTC

thats it:

moonlitAbility · 2015-08-05 18:59:31 UTC

[quote=“Amerika;60216”]Well, I just so happen to have a couple of videos that I can share that shows how to use the M4 and the Kek10 rather efficiently. The M4 video is of me playing a pub using Skyhammer and the Kek10 is me playing Phantom with the Kek10 (and no, I’m not melee’ing in the video). One of the main things you have to learn is when to use ADS and when not to. ADS is useful only in short windows and when you ADS you have to learn to pull down on your mouse if you’re going to keep firing more than a few shots.
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hey, thanks, these vids were actually very helpful. out of curiosity, what do you use for mouse sensitiviy and field of view options?

edit additional thoughts: basically after watching the video, i think i was aiming mostly for the head, and not necessarily tracking or handling the kick well and simply missing most of my shots. i lowered my sensitivity some and it seemed to help me track better, but im always trying to fight smoothness at range vs being able to track in close quarters and being able to look around my sides/back for enemies easily

Amerika · 2015-08-05 20:50:36 UTC

[quote=“moonlitAbility;60325”][quote=“Amerika;60216”]Well, I just so happen to have a couple of videos that I can share that shows how to use the M4 and the Kek10 rather efficiently. The M4 video is of me playing a pub using Skyhammer and the Kek10 is me playing Phantom with the Kek10 (and no, I’m not melee’ing in the video). One of the main things you have to learn is when to use ADS and when not to. ADS is useful only in short windows and when you ADS you have to learn to pull down on your mouse if you’re going to keep firing more than a few shots.
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hey, thanks, these vids were actually very helpful. out of curiosity, what do you use for mouse sensitiviy and field of view options?

edit additional thoughts: basically after watching the video, i think i was aiming mostly for the head, and not necessarily tracking or handling the kick well and simply missing most of my shots. i lowered my sensitivity some and it seemed to help me track better, but im always trying to fight smoothness at range vs being able to track in close quarters and being able to look around my sides/back for enemies easily[/quote]

No problem at all.

I use 400dpi with 5 in-game sensitivity. I’m not sure what that translates to in CM required for a 360 (which is popular to do these days) but I can do a 180 swipe that covers about 10 inches I believe. I’m old-school and just do 180’s to find my sensitivity in games and don’t worry about the numbers My FoV in game is 75.

Lowering your sensitivity will definitely help with tracking and not overreacting. Because even when you overreact a bit, with low sensitivity, you can quickly fix it. I’m been championing it since the early days of Q3. Ironically enough, the person above your post put up a video of Fatal1ty. Him, myself and quite a few others all grew up lanning (Kansas City/Wichita/Topeka) together and many of us have used really low sensitivity since the Intellimouse 3.0 days.

When I hipfire I tend to start at shoulder height depending on the range and let the recoil get headshots for me. However, if they aren’t moving quickly I go for the head or ADS and laser their head down. Turning on hit beeps definitely helps in training you to go for headshots IMO as well. So if you don’t have them on I’d definitely turn them on (in the audio section of the options).

Gi.Am · 2015-08-06 07:10:44 UTC

Solid all around advise (watch amerikas M4 vid, for the finishing of an EV with the M4 alone).
Switching weapon styles always takes a couple of rounds, for me so don’t sweat it. Burstrifles have a complete different rhythm when it comes to aiming/tracking.

They go: 100% on target, don’t care, don’t care, 100% on target, don’t care …

Full auto: 90% on target, 90% on target, 90% on target, 90% on target …

moonlitAbility · 2015-08-06 14:51:46 UTC

[quote=“Amerika;60416”][quote=“moonlitAbility;60325”][quote=“Amerika;60216”]Well, I just so happen to have a couple of videos that I can share that shows how to use the M4 and the Kek10 rather efficiently. The M4 video is of me playing a pub using Skyhammer and the Kek10 is me playing Phantom with the Kek10 (and no, I’m not melee’ing in the video). One of the main things you have to learn is when to use ADS and when not to. ADS is useful only in short windows and when you ADS you have to learn to pull down on your mouse if you’re going to keep firing more than a few shots.
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hey, thanks, these vids were actually very helpful. out of curiosity, what do you use for mouse sensitiviy and field of view options?

edit additional thoughts: basically after watching the video, i think i was aiming mostly for the head, and not necessarily tracking or handling the kick well and simply missing most of my shots. i lowered my sensitivity some and it seemed to help me track better, but im always trying to fight smoothness at range vs being able to track in close quarters and being able to look around my sides/back for enemies easily[/quote]

No problem at all.

I use 400dpi with 5 in-game sensitivity. I’m not sure what that translates to in CM required for a 360 (which is popular to do these days) but I can do a 180 swipe that covers about 10 inches I believe. I’m old-school and just do 180’s to find my sensitivity in games and don’t worry about the numbers My FoV in game is 75.

Lowering your sensitivity will definitely help with tracking and not overreacting. Because even when you overreact a bit, with low sensitivity, you can quickly fix it. I’m been championing it since the early days of Q3. Ironically enough, the person above your post put up a video of Fatal1ty. Him, myself and quite a few others all grew up lanning (Kansas City/Wichita/Topeka) together and many of us have used really low sensitivity since the Intellimouse 3.0 days.

When I hipfire I tend to start at shoulder height depending on the range and let the recoil get headshots for me. However, if they aren’t moving quickly I go for the head or ADS and laser their head down. Turning on hit beeps definitely helps in training you to go for headshots IMO as well. So if you don’t have them on I’d definitely turn them on (in the audio section of the options).[/quote]

heh… so yeah when i watched it, it definately seemed like your sensitivitiy was crazy sensitive. its probably approx twice as sensitive as me (ie, 10 inches is about a 360 for me). So I am slowly lowering it more and more and seeing how it works. I can definately track and hit better with it lower…

however I find when its too low it seems like i get flanked or hit from behind more because i cant look around as easily. And when i get surprised in close quarters i feel like im wearing a giant fat suit when trying to turn and react.

Its seems in yr vid like that doesnt happen to you much/at all. I imagine a lot of it is good positioning/teamwork and simply now allowing that to happen… but i guess with the lower sensitivity, to you have any tips for awareness or close quarters? do u eventually get used to the exxagerated mousing all the time? im so lazy it feels like a lot of work lol

moonlitAbility · 2015-08-06 15:55:34 UTC

this ended up being it. i would be working in the m4 or kek for a match or two after playing with BRs or shottys, and wasn;t having any luck, and got frustrated. After playing a few matches with it, and adjusting the way i play with them some (firing earlier than i need to in anticipation, starting with the body then moving to the head during tracking, etc) i was able to melt people with it. and it helped me with some of my other guns like the blish

Amerika · 2015-08-07 05:03:56 UTC

[quote=“moonlitAbility;60804”][quote=“Amerika;60416”][quote=“moonlitAbility;60325”][quote=“Amerika;60216”]Well, I just so happen to have a couple of videos that I can share that shows how to use the M4 and the Kek10 rather efficiently. The M4 video is of me playing a pub using Skyhammer and the Kek10 is me playing Phantom with the Kek10 (and no, I’m not melee’ing in the video). One of the main things you have to learn is when to use ADS and when not to. ADS is useful only in short windows and when you ADS you have to learn to pull down on your mouse if you’re going to keep firing more than a few shots.
[/quote]

hey, thanks, these vids were actually very helpful. out of curiosity, what do you use for mouse sensitiviy and field of view options?

edit additional thoughts: basically after watching the video, i think i was aiming mostly for the head, and not necessarily tracking or handling the kick well and simply missing most of my shots. i lowered my sensitivity some and it seemed to help me track better, but im always trying to fight smoothness at range vs being able to track in close quarters and being able to look around my sides/back for enemies easily[/quote]

No problem at all.

I use 400dpi with 5 in-game sensitivity. I’m not sure what that translates to in CM required for a 360 (which is popular to do these days) but I can do a 180 swipe that covers about 10 inches I believe. I’m old-school and just do 180’s to find my sensitivity in games and don’t worry about the numbers My FoV in game is 75.

Lowering your sensitivity will definitely help with tracking and not overreacting. Because even when you overreact a bit, with low sensitivity, you can quickly fix it. I’m been championing it since the early days of Q3. Ironically enough, the person above your post put up a video of Fatal1ty. Him, myself and quite a few others all grew up lanning (Kansas City/Wichita/Topeka) together and many of us have used really low sensitivity since the Intellimouse 3.0 days.

When I hipfire I tend to start at shoulder height depending on the range and let the recoil get headshots for me. However, if they aren’t moving quickly I go for the head or ADS and laser their head down. Turning on hit beeps definitely helps in training you to go for headshots IMO as well. So if you don’t have them on I’d definitely turn them on (in the audio section of the options).[/quote]

heh… so yeah when i watched it, it definately seemed like your sensitivitiy was crazy sensitive. its probably approx twice as sensitive as me (ie, 10 inches is about a 360 for me). So I am slowly lowering it more and more and seeing how it works. I can definately track and hit better with it lower…

however I find when its too low it seems like i get flanked or hit from behind more because i cant look around as easily. And when i get surprised in close quarters i feel like im wearing a giant fat suit when trying to turn and react.

Its seems in yr vid like that doesnt happen to you much/at all. I imagine a lot of it is good positioning/teamwork and simply now allowing that to happen… but i guess with the lower sensitivity, to you have any tips for awareness or close quarters? do u eventually get used to the exxagerated mousing all the time? im so lazy it feels like a lot of work lol [/quote]

Not sure if you’re using a larger mouse pad but it definitely helps. I pick up and move my mouse with my whole arm and not my wrist. So I am moving a lot which is what allows me to look as if I’m not using crazy low sensitivity but still get the benefit of it. I can run out of mouse pad in some situations if my mouse is in an odd position and somebody surprises me. You get used to dealing with it quickly though. Oh, also I am not sure if mentioned this but I pull down when I ADS A LOT. Just a slow pull down while firing offsets the recoil quite nicely.

This is my current setup. Well, it’s my setup when I first moved into my current place a year ago. So it sort of looks awful but whatever haha.

http://amerikan.us/photos/apartment/2014-04-29%2000.15.51.jpg