Aimee is too weak now

[dusannfs]

After the new update which nerfed many weapons regarding where bodyshot damage, there is no reason to use Aimee.
She has inferior primary (Fel-ix), inferior secondary (no mini-pistols) and less hp than Vassili. And before people start yelling: “But you are a noob if you bodyshot, it’s supposed to be played skillfully…”, there are certain locations where you just can’t see someone’s head, for example, the Maintenance Corridor Stairs shooting from Overflow Corridor on
Underground.

Also, it’s can get hard to headshot wall-jumping Auras and Sparks’ speeding in different directions, especially with Fel-ix and it’s delay before shooting.
She has a less effective ability, too. SNITCH has less range, doesn’t go through walls, it’s big and leaves a trail while deploying, so it’s easily found and quickly destroyed. And for those reasons it can’t even be hidden well somewhere, like the Heartbeat sensor can.

The only key strength she had over Vassili is now gone, yeah, you can still one-shot Thunder with the help of SNITCH, and that’s helpful, but it’s too situational to make her viable.

Tl;dr: Aimee (or at least Fel-ix) needs some kind of small buff, enough to make her (it) competitive against Vassili (or MOA)

[LifeupOmega]

She’s still a sniper, she’s still incredibly powerful. The other snipers need to be dialled down, because Aimee is by far the more balanced of the 3,

[Terminal_6]

Yeah with the bodyshot nerf being a 20% reduction, the SNITCH just reverts them to the previous values (if the DB wiki is correct) Maybe this justifies a stronger debuff because it can’t bodyshot OHK anyone at this point. Going from 25% to 30% would allow her to B-OHK 80hp mercs again wihtout affecting her support potency too much.

[Guziol]

She did lose her distinctive strong side with those changes. I felt she was absolutely fine before at least with felix ( i don’t mind pdp changes, grandeur bodyshot damage with nothing to compensate for it’s poor handling im not so fond of ) but now the snitch basically helps anyone but you. Bumping the snitch % might be too good because it’s not only your damage that get’s amped.

[znuund]

@Terminal_6 said:
Yeah with the bodyshot nerf being a 20% reduction, the SNITCH just reverts them to the previous values (if the DB wiki is correct) Maybe this justifies a stronger debuff because it can’t bodyshot OHK anyone at this point. Going from 25% to 30% would allow her to B-OHK 80hp mercs again wihtout affecting her support potency too much.

why would you every want to be able to OHK a merc at full health in this game? shoot the damn head! And of course it is hard to aim for the head of a small and quick merc but that’s their advantage. if you can just aim for the body, that is just lame. who would want to play low hp mercs anymore if you could just OHK them?

TL;DR: git gud

[dusannfs]

@Guziol said:
She did lose her distinctive strong side with those changes. I felt she was absolutely fine before at least with felix ( i don’t mind pdp changes, grandeur bodyshot damage with nothing to compensate for it’s poor handling im not so fond of ) but now the snitch basically helps anyone but you. Bumping the snitch % might be too good because it’s not only your damage that get’s amped.

Hmmm, you’re right about everything there. I didn’t even realize the changes are there as I didn’t bother to look at the change log, and because I was just shooting headshots all along.

But just like @Terminal_6 said, a small buff on the Snitch would do it, 30% instead of 25% seems perfect. Most people are bodyshoting anyway, it wouldn’t break the game (like Javellin does with no warnings and instagibbing from full hp every 30 secs XD), and she would actually be viable then. Look at it like a trade off. She lost bodyshoting kills, and SNITCH has small range, doesn’t go through walls either as it needs visual contact (also spotter is useless on her as it just widens the spotting range, and doesn’t de-buff them). But she then becomes the only sniper who can one shot 80hp mercs with a bodyshot (it’s just Aura and Sparks, earlier it included 90hp mercs too).

[dusannfs]

@znuund said:

@Terminal_6 said:
Yeah with the bodyshot nerf being a 20% reduction, the SNITCH just reverts them to the previous values (if the DB wiki is correct) Maybe this justifies a stronger debuff because it can’t bodyshot OHK anyone at this point. Going from 25% to 30% would allow her to B-OHK 80hp mercs again wihtout affecting her support potency too much.

why would you every want to be able to OHK a merc at full health in this game? shoot the damn head! And of course it is hard to aim for the head of a small and quick merc but that’s their advantage. if you can just aim for the body, that is just lame. who would want to play low hp mercs anymore if you could just OHK them?

TL;DR: git gud

Yeah, we understand that this is a skill-based game and that we should not encourage being as effective with almost no skill and with a lot of it. But that makes Aimee a straight downgrade from Vassili. That’s the problem. Can she still do everything he can? Sure, but it takes more skill (no mini-pistols, proper SNITCH hiding techinque and finding special spots, overall worse rifle with at times obstructive scope, less hp, gets one shot by a PDP hs, a katana stab and Grandeur hs while SNITCH-ed).

I’m not bitching, it’s just that I see no reason now to use her, when I can just go Vassili and be more effective, even more helpful for the team. We just need a SMALL buff for Aimee, or at least for Fel-ix.

[GatoCommodore]

@dusannfs said:

@znuund said:

@Terminal_6 said:
Yeah with the bodyshot nerf being a 20% reduction, the SNITCH just reverts them to the previous values (if the DB wiki is correct) Maybe this justifies a stronger debuff because it can’t bodyshot OHK anyone at this point. Going from 25% to 30% would allow her to B-OHK 80hp mercs again wihtout affecting her support potency too much.

why would you every want to be able to OHK a merc at full health in this game? shoot the damn head! And of course it is hard to aim for the head of a small and quick merc but that’s their advantage. if you can just aim for the body, that is just lame. who would want to play low hp mercs anymore if you could just OHK them?

TL;DR: git gud

Yeah, we understand that this is a skill-based game and that we should not encourage being as effective with almost no skill and with a lot of it. But that makes Aimee a straight downgrade from Vassili. That’s the problem. Can she still do everything he can? Sure, but it takes more skill (no mini-pistols, proper SNITCH hiding techinque and finding special spots, overall worse rifle with at times obstructive scope, less hp, gets one shot by a PDP hs, a katana stab and Grandeur hs while SNITCH-ed).

I’m not bitching, it’s just that I see no reason now to use her, when I can just go Vassili and be more effective, even more helpful for the team. We just need a SMALL buff for Aimee, or at least for Fel-ix.

aimee supposed to be the fast merc with marksman rifle with the ability to let the team deal extra damage but now that sniper rifles nerfed to ‘CRAP’ tier she just went down the toilet, gets flushed, and not even worth picking since her rifle just does the damage before the nerf.

they did the damage nerf but didnt do anything with vasilli dominating the sniper role for having 110 HP, MOA recoiless-unbolt action rifle, and a goddamn machine pistol which made him nearly invulnerable in close range against 90-100hp flanker

people suggested to nerf the MOA, and Vasilli HP but they decided that “hmm oh well lets nerf revolver and sniper rifle bodyshot”

just…

[dusannfs]

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@znuund said:

@Terminal_6 said:
Yeah with the bodyshot nerf being a 20% reduction, the SNITCH just reverts them to the previous values (if the DB wiki is correct) Maybe this justifies a stronger debuff because it can’t bodyshot OHK anyone at this point. Going from 25% to 30% would allow her to B-OHK 80hp mercs again wihtout affecting her support potency too much.

why would you every want to be able to OHK a merc at full health in this game? shoot the damn head! And of course it is hard to aim for the head of a small and quick merc but that’s their advantage. if you can just aim for the body, that is just lame. who would want to play low hp mercs anymore if you could just OHK them?

TL;DR: git gud

Yeah, we understand that this is a skill-based game and that we should not encourage being as effective with almost no skill and with a lot of it. But that makes Aimee a straight downgrade from Vassili. That’s the problem. Can she still do everything he can? Sure, but it takes more skill (no mini-pistols, proper SNITCH hiding techinque and finding special spots, overall worse rifle with at times obstructive scope, less hp, gets one shot by a PDP hs, a katana stab and Grandeur hs while SNITCH-ed).

I’m not bitching, it’s just that I see no reason now to use her, when I can just go Vassili and be more effective, even more helpful for the team. We just need a SMALL buff for Aimee, or at least for Fel-ix.

aimee supposed to be the fast merc with marksman rifle with the ability to let the team deal extra damage but now that sniper rifles nerfed to ‘CRAP’ tier she just went down the toilet, gets flushed, and not even worth picking since her rifle just does the damage before the nerf.

they did the damage nerf but didnt do anything with vasilli dominating the sniper role for having 110 HP, MOA recoiless-unbolt action rifle, and a goddamn machine pistol which made him nearly invulnerable in close range against 90-100hp flanker

people suggested to nerf the MOA, and Vasilli HP but they decided that “hmm oh well lets nerf revolver and sniper rifle bodyshot”

just…

Yup, bought her the first day she was introduced, and been using only her for sniping ever since. Perhaps we can somehow spam the posts about this so they can do somehing about it? Or should we all just switch to superior Vassili and forget about her existing? I really don’t know what’s smart now…

Also why the hell didn’t they punish PDP70 (auto noob) as much as the others?! It’s still got insane DPS even for bodyshots. It needs 2 bodyshots to kill an Aura or Sparks or damaged 90hp mercs! And PDP deserved the nerf the most ffs!

[frostyvampire]

Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

[dusannfs]

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

[frostyvampire]

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

[dusannfs]

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s the problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

[GatoCommodore]

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s the problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

[dusannfs]

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s the problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

[GatoCommodore]

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s the problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

i kindly ask you to make a montage video where you do a 57 kill with PDP

honestly, MoA is even easier than PDP in terms of handling and speed and damage.

no, the most OP sniper in the game is vasilli if youre really good at sniping.

And no, people that are good with sniper rifles prefer Bolt action because higher pure damage per bullet.

[dusannfs]

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s t****he problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

i kindly ask you to make a montage video where you do a 57 kill with PDP

honestly, MoA is even easier than PDP in terms of handling and speed and damage.

no, the most OP sniper in the game is vasilli if youre really good at sniping.

And no, people that are good with sniper rifles prefer Bolt action because higher pure damage per bullet.

I never said anything from that isn’t true, it’s just that PDP should be done like the autosnipers in CS for example, ok, but not really viable, everyone will just buy Scout or AWP. It’s not supposed to be that good, that’s the point.

And yeah, just like you said, Vas with MOA (or Fel-ix) is most op, due to 1 shot headshot (most of the times with some exceptions), mini pistols which are easier to use than regular pistols, tiny HS that acts similarly to WH and good overall hp. And that’s the point of the post. Since the snipers got nerfed already, all that is needed isto just buff the SNITCH to 30% debuff. That way Aimee actually has a use over Vas.

[GatoCommodore]

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s t****he problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

i kindly ask you to make a montage video where you do a 57 kill with PDP

honestly, MoA is even easier than PDP in terms of handling and speed and damage.

no, the most OP sniper in the game is vasilli if youre really good at sniping.

And no, people that are good with sniper rifles prefer Bolt action because higher pure damage per bullet.

I never said anything from that isn’t true, it’s just that PDP should be done like the autosnipers in CS for example, ok, but not really viable, everyone will just buy Scout or AWP. It’s not supposed to be that good, that’s the point.

And yeah, just like you said, Vas with MOA (or Fel-ix) is most op, due to 1 shot headshot (most of the times with some exceptions), mini pistols which are easier to use than regular pistols, tiny HS that acts similarly to WH and good overall hp. And that’s the point of the post. Since the snipers got nerfed already, all that is needed isto just buff the SNITCH to 30% debuff. That way Aimee actually has a use over Vas.

what, you want a weapon to be not good because…

memes? what?

[dusannfs]

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s t****he problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

i kindly ask you to make a montage video where you do a 57 kill with PDP

honestly, MoA is even easier than PDP in terms of handling and speed and damage.

no, the most OP sniper in the game is vasilli if youre really good at sniping.

And no, people that are good with sniper rifles prefer Bolt action because higher pure damage per bullet.

I never said anything from that isn’t true, it’s just that PDP should be done like the autosnipers in CS for example, ok, but not really viable, everyone will just buy Scout or AWP. It’s not supposed to be that good, that’s the point.

And yeah, just like you said, Vas with MOA (or Fel-ix) is most op, due to 1 shot headshot (most of the times with some exceptions), mini pistols which are easier to use than regular pistols, tiny HS that acts similarly to WH and good overall hp. And that’s the point of the post. Since the snipers got nerfed already, all that is needed isto just buff the SNITCH to 30% debuff. That way Aimee actually has a use over Vas.

what, you want a weapon to be not good because…

memes? what?

Becaue a wepon that requires no skill shouldn’t be more effective than a higher skill weapon.

[GatoCommodore]

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:

@dusannfs said:

@frostyvampire said:
Aimee is also faster and her SNITCH allows her to instagib squishies and makes the enemy easier to kill which helps your teammates more than a simple wallhack.

She’s a sniper. Snipers are supposed to kill, not help their teammates kill. Speed is unimportant on her as she mostly stays away from close quarter combat. SNITCH 90% of times gets destroyed before it gets to de-buff anyone. About instagibbing i have no idea, never heard about SNITCH affecting it, and even if it’s true, you can always just shoot another bullet and do it yourself. And knowing where your enemies are, even through walls, is much more useful than knowing they are at the place you can already see them…

If your SNITCH gets destroyed before it gets anyone, then you just place it in bad spots.

The speed allows her to escape faster. The extra movement speed also makes it easier to hit targets and dodge while recharging the next shot.

SNITCH allows you to instagib because you do too much damage. 158*1.25 = 197.5 damage. You only need to deal 100 extra damage on top of killing the enemy to gib them. So any merc with 97hp or less will get insta-gibbed if you headshot them.
(Yes I know you need less damage for mercs with less than 100 max hp but it doesn’t matter in this case).

The debuff also allows you to 2 shot bodyshot Fragger and 1 shot headshot Thunder (not too important but worth noting too).

If an enemy pushes you and you have your SNITCH, you can throw it on the floor and it will be easier to kill them (pretty rare, but it might help every once in a while)

I main Aimee, I find it a lot easier to get kills as Aimee than Vassili, and I find the MoA better than the FEL-IX.
The extra speed just makes a world of difference.
The SNITCH is amazing when you learn to place it effectively

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds very convincing! Also, thanks for the info on instagibbing, had no idea about that! All you’ve said is correct and true, but it just feels bad knowing you could be more effective by just chilling in the back and sniping someone off with MOA, knowing more about other’s postitions, which helps at those 1vs1 or clutch situations against other snipers.

Yeah I’ve seen higher levels putting SNITCH at some really good spots, but I’ve never bothered to actually nail the spots right, I would just throe it at some general direction (yeah, my mistake and it’s noobish, I know). But it bothers me that Vas just takes less skill to be more effective than Aimee with maximum skill would be. That’s t****he problem now (especially during the merc rotation, I’ve had lvl 5s bodyshot me to death with PDP or MOA…).

I’ve always liked her more that Vas, and she always required more skill to play effectively, but by nerfing the rifles, they also indirectly nerfed her too. Who would want a lower hp merc with worse primaries and secondaries and with a harder to use ability? (Ignoring what you already proved up there as many players don’t actually take time to think on a deeper level about what’s better).

I know I sound aggressive about it, but I just get annoyed so much when I actually take time to learn how to use the mercs and develop skill, only to get bodyshotted by an auto-noob XD

the PDP is actually harder to use if you cant handle the recoil
it has been nerfed 3 times and now its nerfed again.

Oh come on, really? If you can’t handle the recoil of pdp then maybe COD is the game for you. PDP is kind of like the AWP in CS. The easiest to use weapon, point and click, you just go for bodyshots. It should be nerfed to 30-35 dmg per bodyshot, leave the spamability but nerf it so it deals 90 dmg on hs. There, problem solved. The noobs won’t 2 bodyshot aura and sparks and can only kill 90hp mercs if they get a lucky hs. It’s not supposed to beat a higher skilled player with a bolt action rifle 9/10 times by just spamming it. Are we forgetting this: Aimee with PDP is BS. Really, it deals 100 dmg per hs and 125 per hs if SNITCH-ed, which means it kill everyone except for Fragger, Thunder and Rhino. Yeah, and that’s totally not broken, no.

i kindly ask you to make a montage video where you do a 57 kill with PDP

honestly, MoA is even easier than PDP in terms of handling and speed and damage.

no, the most OP sniper in the game is vasilli if youre really good at sniping.

And no, people that are good with sniper rifles prefer Bolt action because higher pure damage per bullet.

I never said anything from that isn’t true, it’s just that PDP should be done like the autosnipers in CS for example, ok, but not really viable, everyone will just buy Scout or AWP. It’s not supposed to be that good, that’s the point.

And yeah, just like you said, Vas with MOA (or Fel-ix) is most op, due to 1 shot headshot (most of the times with some exceptions), mini pistols which are easier to use than regular pistols, tiny HS that acts similarly to WH and good overall hp. And that’s the point of the post. Since the snipers got nerfed already, all that is needed isto just buff the SNITCH to 30% debuff. That way Aimee actually has a use over Vas.

what, you want a weapon to be not good because…

memes? what?

Becaue a wepon that requires no skill shouldn’t be more effective than a higher skill weapon.

it has the highest recoil of all weapon
scope sway that goes faster than any other sniper rifle
shooting body is now very weak
nerfed magazine
weakest scoped sniper

all in all vasilli MoA handles better and requires lower skill to mantain shooting

-but muh fast follow up shots
better use bolt action so you dont need follow up shot and get one shot kill.

its a gun that has been artificially made harder to use even tho its main usage is nearly the same as dreiss AR.