Ahnuhld-12 Fletcher in competition.

(Eox) #1

Just a couple of questions about shotgunning Fletchers, since I am more one of the Blishlok kind.

Is the Ahnuhld-12 actually used in competitive by Fletchers ? And if yes, how does it perform ? Is it more used than the Blishlok ? I am asking those questions because I oftenly feel way too much outgunned while using the Blishlok, and my Cobalt A31 is always winking at me everytime I open my loadout list. So I need some opinions about this. :confused:

@Szakalot : I know you are a pretty much hardcore Ahnuhld Fletcher player around, I need your thoughs about this.

(Mister__Wiggles) #2

Anhuld is inconsistent for me personally. Some times you’ll get headshots in close range and will do hardly any damage with it and sometimes you will one shot moat classes. I’m a blishlok kinda guy but I have been trying the anhuld out for the last few days and my opinion is still out on it.

(FUNNYBLACKMAN) #3

Before I used to play with the blishlok alot but now I got an ahnhuld one and its pretty awesome.It does an amazing work at chipping enemies’ health away after I hit them with the sticky.Definitely does a better job at that than the blishlok.But on maps like chapel and dome the blishlok is a good choice and I sometimes switch to it when I’m on those maps.

(Szakalot) #4

ahnuld is definitely more powerful at close range. frontloaded damage can put people down before they can dish out there theoretically higher DPS.

you will struggle on certain maps and objectives, so for 5v5 ahnuld wouldbe a detriment on many phases. id argue though that if you want to use blish fletcha to address that, you should probably consider taking a different merc in the first place

(LifeupOmega) #5

Until Shotguns become consistent damage wise I can’t see a reason to use it over the Blishlok. Especially seeing as you’ll always be running the Empire-9 too.

BL32 is honestly the number one - both Lock On and Fail Safe, and you have two reliable guns.

(Szakalot) #6

[quote=“LifeupOmega;107296”]Until Shotguns become consistent damage wise I can’t see a reason to use it over the Blishlok. Especially seeing as you’ll always be running the Empire-9 too.

BL32 is honestly the number one - both Lock On and Fail Safe, and you have two reliable guns.[/quote]

shotguns feel very consistent to me, their spread operates differently than smg, cant aim straight for the head

(Eox) #7

[quote=“Szakalot;107251”]ahnuld is definitely more powerful at close range. frontloaded damage can put people down before they can dish out there theoretically higher DPS.

you will struggle on certain maps and objectives, so for 5v5 ahnuld wouldbe a detriment on many phases. id argue though that if you want to use blish fletcha to address that, you should probably consider taking a different merc in the first place[/quote]

@Szakalot So in short Ahnuhld in competition is as worthless as other shotguns, but if I want to go for a SMG, better take Bushwhacker ? Am I understanding right ? :confused:

(Szakalot) #8

[quote=“Eox;107350”][quote=“Szakalot;107251”]ahnuld is definitely more powerful at close range. frontloaded damage can put people down before they can dish out there theoretically higher DPS.

you will struggle on certain maps and objectives, so for 5v5 ahnuld wouldbe a detriment on many phases. id argue though that if you want to use blish fletcha to address that, you should probably consider taking a different merc in the first place[/quote]

@Szakalot So in short Ahnuhld in competition is as worthless as other shotguns, but if I want to go for a SMG, better take Bushwhacker ? Am I understanding right ? :confused:
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im not a comp player, but in MM shotgun can be very effective when holding chokes. I do think Ahnuld is the best shotgun atm. cause it can do ~50hp hits at midrange

(Eox) #9

[quote=“Szakalot;107355”][quote=“Eox;107350”][quote=“Szakalot;107251”]ahnuld is definitely more powerful at close range. frontloaded damage can put people down before they can dish out there theoretically higher DPS.

you will struggle on certain maps and objectives, so for 5v5 ahnuld wouldbe a detriment on many phases. id argue though that if you want to use blish fletcha to address that, you should probably consider taking a different merc in the first place[/quote]

@Szakalot So in short Ahnuhld in competition is as worthless as other shotguns, but if I want to go for a SMG, better take Bushwhacker ? Am I understanding right ? :confused:
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im not a comp player, but in MM shotgun can be very effective when holding chokes. I do think Ahnuld is the best shotgun atm. cause it can do ~50hp hits at midrange[/quote]

So do I, but if open areas locks me down too much I shouldn’t stick with it IMO.

For you, what do you call “mid range” ? Do you think you can give me an approximative answer ? :confused:

(Szakalot) #10

I’m a fletcher player so probably my mid-range is closer than most peoples : D

I would say the length of the side corridor on trainyard 1st obj mg room, starting from outside to the corner of mg room; or bridge 1st obj attacker’s short-left corridor from wall to wall.

In some ways ahnuld fletcher is a rhino-like character, due to close-range limitation. Definitely better on defense, when you can just wait for people to come to you.

(_Sniff_) #11

I would say the Blishlok is easier and more versatile to use. Which makes it more consistent for people in comp.

I prefer the Ahnuld but I’m not really that great with it. It’s inconsistent for me too but I also don’t use it as a primary. The empire-9 will usually be used and not the Ahnuld.

In comp I find people ADAD a lot more than in pubs which can be difficult if you miss a shot with the ahnuld that can cost you your life. You HAVE to be confident in placing your shots. If you can do that the Ahnuld extremely strong.

(Eox) #12

[quote=“Szakalot;107407”]I’m a fletcher player so probably my mid-range is closer than most peoples : D

I would say the length of the side corridor on trainyard 1st obj mg room, starting from outside to the corner of mg room; or bridge 1st obj attacker’s short-left corridor from wall to wall.

In some ways ahnuld fletcher is a rhino-like character, due to close-range limitation. Definitely better on defense, when you can just wait for people to come to you.[/quote]

Yeah, and I can’t count on the Empire-9 at 100%. Last time I tried to use it mid-range face to face to a skyhammer, I just got pummelled hard by a M4A1. Too much spread, I couldn’t get the head consistantly. Or maybe there was something I didn’t do right. :confused:

(Szakalot) #13

[quote=“Sniff;107412”]I would say the Blishlok is easier and more versatile to use. Which makes it more consistent for people in comp.

I prefer the Ahnuld but I’m not really that great with it. It’s inconsistent for me too but I also don’t use it as a primary. The empire-9 will usually be used and not the Ahnuld.

In comp I find people ADAD a lot more than in pubs which can be difficult if you miss a shot with the ahnuld that can cost you your life. You HAVE to be confident in placing your shots. If you can do that the Ahnuld extremely strong.[/quote]

Easy way to learn shotgun is strafe-aim. Keep crosshair at neck/torso level and just strafe into enemies. probably the most reliable way to score shotgun hits.

(Szakalot) #14

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(_Sniff_) #15

[quote=“Szakalot;107422”][quote=“Sniff;107412”]I would say the Blishlok is easier and more versatile to use. Which makes it more consistent for people in comp.

I prefer the Ahnuld but I’m not really that great with it. It’s inconsistent for me too but I also don’t use it as a primary. The empire-9 will usually be used and not the Ahnuld.

In comp I find people ADAD a lot more than in pubs which can be difficult if you miss a shot with the ahnuld that can cost you your life. You HAVE to be confident in placing your shots. If you can do that the Ahnuld extremely strong.[/quote]

Easy way to learn shotgun is strafe-aim. Keep crosshair at neck/torso level and just strafe into enemies. probably the most reliable way to score shotgun hits.[/quote]

Yeah that’s how I do it. I’m just out of practice. What is your hit % btw? I have 37.1%

(Mister__Wiggles) #16

Empire 9 is garbage at mid to long range the spread even if you burst it is unforgiving. Blishlok will come in handy then but mid range for Fletcher is decent sticky bomb territory so you always go a fall back. My accuracy with the empire 9 though is close to 40% and I don’t play Sparks so its all because of fletcher. I would like to know sticky bomb kills and accuracy but I feel accuracy may be a bit hard to put into a percentage for them.

(_Sniff_) #17

Take your kills on Fletcher and subtract the kills from Blishlok, Empire-9, Ahnuld. You’ll get a rough estimate. I have about 7,000 kills from those guns and 15,000 kills total.

(Mister__Wiggles) #18

@Sniff
I use the blishlok with aura as well as bushwhacker and Sawbonez so it would involve alot of math and I have dyscalculia so anything maths related is incredibly difficult for me. Just hoping it comes with the next update which is due in a week or so.

(LifeupOmega) #19

This is why I always run Blishlok, I can at least engage at range if I’m forced to. With Ahnuld/Empire, even with the Ahnuld’s increased range, you just won’t put out the same damage the Blishlok will.

Stickies can still be used at mid yeah, but I do feel safer when I have a longer range weapon on hand too.

(Szakalot) #20

[quote=“Sniff;107428”][quote=“Szakalot;107422”][quote=“Sniff;107412”]I would say the Blishlok is easier and more versatile to use. Which makes it more consistent for people in comp.

I prefer the Ahnuld but I’m not really that great with it. It’s inconsistent for me too but I also don’t use it as a primary. The empire-9 will usually be used and not the Ahnuld.

In comp I find people ADAD a lot more than in pubs which can be difficult if you miss a shot with the ahnuld that can cost you your life. You HAVE to be confident in placing your shots. If you can do that the Ahnuld extremely strong.[/quote]

Easy way to learn shotgun is strafe-aim. Keep crosshair at neck/torso level and just strafe into enemies. probably the most reliable way to score shotgun hits.[/quote]

Yeah that’s how I do it. I’m just out of practice. What is your hit % btw? I have 37.1%[/quote]

I assume you are talking about ahnuld exclusively? I’m at 41.8