Hacks are like roaches u squash one and another one shows up
After many weeks, months even, of no hackers they are back
_LOST_eXpat
(_LOST_eXpat)
#23
you really need to feel sorry for the people who cheat to have some kid of status on a video game.
“i am such a nobody in the real world i must cheat in a video game to feel better about my sorry existence”
bontsa
(bontsa)
#25
Surprised by hackers? No.
Surprised by people instantaneously tossing gloves into a wall, whining around without any droplet of constructivity (OP took the right route, most of the comments seem to be just outright stupid), not taking the proper routes of reporting hackers, instead expecting stuff to happen magically without any effort whatsoever? Naah, not surprised of that either.
What does surprise me it’s 2016 and some people still think theres silver bullet solution for hacking.
xHandymanx
(xHandymanx)
#26
@bontsa said:
PurpleHippo wrote: »Is anyone actually surprised?
Surprised by hackers? No.
Surprised by people instantaneously tossing gloves into a wall, whining around without any droplet of constructivity (OP took the right route, most of the comments seem to be just outright stupid), not taking the proper routes of reporting hackers, instead expecting stuff to happen magically without any effort whatsoever? Naah, not surprised of that either.
What does surprise me it’s 2016 and some people still think theres silver bullet solution for hacking.
Community servers
Swift and 24/7 admins to weed out people who wants to 1-click-win
bontsa
(bontsa)
#27
@asdf Show me a 24/7 admined community server. I’ve been part of one of the first UK’s larger TF2 communities and even there with about 30-ish admins for 6 servers and real-time IRC admin-call system it isn’t exactly instantaneous. Which seems to be the speed people here refer these issues to be taken action into. It can be fast, but these people are still doing it by their freetime and cannot be expected to sit entire day, respond 24/7 like their work would be to get rid of these issues.
Nothing that couldn’t be also done with simply having everyone on the server to apply to votekick said sad individuals, which is possible in DB for us now. Not game’s fault exactly that just some players are siding with said hackers denying these votes to pass.
Blatant ones like these “pistols-everyone-to-smithereens-while-sitting-in-spawn” could be just as well kicked by sensible players themselves without need of an admin. It’s the less blatant ones, that are pretty obviously hacking but need spectating to be confirmed, that admining would be needed to be rooted off more efficently.
Community servers are a must for this game to succeed don’t get me wrong, it’s just that it’s quite weird that we legit players would need this extra step to solve issue we already have tools to solve ourselves.
Once most blatant ones are happening less (trust me, they’d still be there every now and when even with community driven servers), next whine is about another type of hackers. Or exploiters. List goes on, never stops. So it’s still not solving the problem entirely.
Sorotia
(Sorotia)
#28
[quote=“bontsa;154479”]
Nothing that couldn’t be also done with simply having everyone on the server to apply to votekick said sad individuals, which is possible in DB for us now. Not game’s fault exactly that just some players are siding with said hackers denying these votes to pass.
Blatant ones like these “pistols-everyone-to-smithereens-while-sitting-in-spawn” could be just as well kicked by sensible players themselves without need of an admin. It’s the less blatant ones, that are pretty obviously hacking but need spectating to be confirmed, that admining would be needed to be rooted off more efficently.[/quote]
Trouble is that doesn’t even work…between people ignoring or not even paying attention to a kick vote and the people who will gladly ride a hacker to a easy victory…kicks don’t always happen…even when they use the insta-kill the whole team with a pistol.
Ballto
(Ballto)
#29
People need to see online video games the same way they would see a town, a city, or a country.
A city can have laws and a police force, and it can be an effective police force, but no matter what that police force can never stop all the crime in that city. There will always be some kind of criminal doing something, be it grabbing a guys wallet in a subway station or robbing a bank, and the only real way to stop crime entirely would be to remove all freedom from people and remove any form of privacy with constant surveillance of everyone. Even then, people who really wanted to commit a crime would find a way around this all, and youcant really arrest someone until they had already stolen the wallet or robbed the bank
The same way a game can have a set of rules and an anticheat system in place, they cant ban you until you have already hacked the game, and the only way to actually ‘fully’ stop cheating is to install an anticheat on everyones pc that has access to any and all files on that pc, and im not sure about you but i know i have a few folders around i dont want SD or anyone really getting their hands on. Even then, if someone really wanted to hack, he would find a way to do it.
ultraVase
(ultraVase)
#30
@TheVulpesFox said:
Why do people even hack? Yeah you may get a high score but everyone knows the feeling of hatred when some one is hacking. Do people enjoy being on the end of that? Do they have fun knowing that they are so bad at the game they need something else to do it for them?
I will never understand the mentality of the hacker.
Funny enough i used to Admin TF2 servers for a clan, we got hackers quite often. The ones who are hacking are always the arrogant, low self esteem, selfish players with no actual talent outside of talking too much. It seems to be universal traits amongst people buying these hacks, not the ones actually creating them.
The ones who create them do it for multiple reasons but generally not because theyre interested in the game, alot of them do it just to see if they can do it. Also theres money to be made from doing soo as well. Of course, with weak security like Nexon Anti-Cheat and Nexon being such a large Free to Play game company, they have no reason to actually ban people. It would actually cost them money, similar to Blizzard, who also has a joke of an anti-cheat system. I knew people that hacked from Vanilla, up to Mists of Pandaria in World of Warcraft, it took Blizzard that long to finally ban their accounts, of course they just remade and used new undetectable hacks.
Unlike consoles, PC gamers can just reset IPs and reinstall, theres even work arounds to hardware bans, but when it comes to cheaters on consoles, as far as i know, when you get hardware banned there you have to purchase an entirely new console. In the case of consoles they actually have alot of money to be made by actually dealing with these kindas of people. Especially now that you have to download your games to your system, they probably also are able to hardware ban your disc serial numbers but im not sure on that, i havent played console since Xbox 360.
Heres a story from my TF2 stuff mentioned above.
We found out one of our own admins was hacking, me and a few friends caught him intentionally griefing our own servers, he was too stupid to use a proxxy soo we were able to cross reference his IP address. This is a guy who no one liked yet somehow became an admin, he got removed from admin but to my surprise the leader, months later reinstated him. Needless to say i stopped bothering to admin those servers, im still absolutely baffled as to how he was given a position of power yet again after harassing and griefing people playing on our servers for well over a year.
Ardez1
(Ardez1)
#31
@ultraVase Tell that to the hundreds of people who were banned because they were hacking in DB. And Nexon Anti-Cheat is limited in the same way every other AC program is limited. Go talk to Valve and see if they have any cure-all for the rampant CS:GO hacking. They don’t. They deal with new hacks as they come out, like any other game’s AC.