About the burst rifles

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #1

I see a lot of people mad about them, yet id pont really udnerstand why people get angry that a burst rifle sint that good in clsoe quarters, when BRs Are ment to be somehting between an asault rifle and a Marksman rifle.
They amped up the damage, and the stark headshot its brutal.
Burst rifles are ment for acurate shooting not spraying, if you whant that go for a full auto,
And about kira been unplyable without the BR-16, i have barely played kira, and the less than ana hour i played with her (durin a rotaton) i used the draissis, cause a squishy character is better far form the rage of the frontlines, and I have fragger for that.

people complaing about the br-16 at close range, Try the K-121 the spread in CQC gets tremendous after 10 shots, but it is ment for medium range so I guess thats just fair for its damage and clip size.

(Sir_Slam) #2

Except that they’re just as terrible at longer ranges too. Thanks to the random spread and slower fire rate, you won’t often land all three shots on a head. Yeah, the headshot damage is absolutely brutal, but a hit with a .22LR is better than a miss with a .50BMG.

And, you know, Kira and Arty aren’t Vassili and Red-eye. They’ve got stay in medium range and keep moving.

And they suck in medium range too.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #3

@Sir_Slam I did my testing with Stoker and Skyhhammer, didnt had that much of a problem iwht the br-16,
only iwht the stark msotly cuase its sight its awful

(Sterling) #4

I didn’t use the BR and Stark at long ranges because I knew I was going to miss half of the burst unless I aimed on the neck.

I didn’t use them at close ranges because I’m not exactly good at them and 90 health on Kira doesn’t help it either (tough Arty was way easier).

Honestly, I’d rather be able to burst fast, since the headshot bursts were already devastating (the kind that let you win a fight against a pro Fragger if you hit the entire burst). I don’t get why SD did that. I really don’t.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #5

@Lee DUnno maybe stay to logner range where Kira is ment for?
dunn owhy you think long rang BRs are difficult ive pulle dit out against a vassili many times wiht SKyhammer br-16.
Adna real progfragge is much harder to kill thna jsut landing the hwole burst especially with the k 121

(Blackers) #6

Nah man, being able to play Kira at close range is what made her fun, she was never op, but she was fast and light with a decent skilled weapon to us, more so for the Stark AR, but when you go assault with her, it is extremely rewarding. but now she feels so out of place. say if we are playing range as Kira, and someone gets the flank on you, there is fuck all you can do to defend yourself apart from bunny hop like mad and hope that one of your delayed bursts gets a hit so you can finished them off with your spud gun for a pistol, or cut them down, where as you get the flank on vassili he has his machine pistols to fall back on, and more health to boot. Kira and Arty are just shit now, no matter what range you play. oh, and if that wasn’t enough, they also made Kiras Orbital Laser extremely slow now.

Anyone know what all the sudden hate for Kira? she was a blanched, underrated, unplayed, fun merc.

I have lost so much enjoyment for this game since the CW update, and to think i was really ‘stoked’ for it. I would much rather play Dirty bomb prior to the CW update.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #7

@Blackers Well You chose Kira.
i rarely fght her but from what ive seen shee s ment for logner ranges not been a bunny hoping bitch like Proxy.
You took the speedy character with low hp now eat what you asked for when the slowpoke of the tank mercs shreds you down at CC…if the k 121 one spread dint fuck him back that is

(Blackers) #8

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;102240”]@Blackers Well You chose Kira.
i rarely fght her but from what ive seen shee s ment for logner ranges not been a bunny hoping bitch like Proxy.
You took the speedy character with low hp now eat what you asked for when the slowpoke of the tank mercs shreds you down at CC…if the k 121 one spread dint fuck him back that is[/quote]

Doesn’t exactly seem fair to box players away into certain play styles, there were those who played her at range, and there were those of us who liked to dabble in a bit of everything. what was wrong with that. they made her fast like Proxy so bunny hopping is bound to happen, and some players, like myself made that work for us. no one had ever complained about her being ‘OP’ apart from the fresh players who didn’t really get how easy it is to avoid her laser. so they would just say the laser is OP and not her…

But they also nerfed that, so no excuse to be hit now.

So why force her into a certain role like that. let players play how they want. everyone has their favorite merc for their certain reasons. and I liked her because she was versatile once mastered, and under played… the fact she is a Blue haired Japanese girl also won point with me, but that’s besides the point. :stuck_out_tongue:

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #9

@Blackers you are not forced intoa palystyle but tis what is best for the merc.
Example. you can force fragger into a CLose range merc with an m4 and that.
But Fraggers movement and his stock weapon or the br 16. make him Much mroe fit for Medium ranges, which he exells at.
I use the k-121, and lets just say its the br 16, wiht slower fire rate and worst hipfire spread and heavier recoil.

if you think the br-16 is hard to use at CC (which i dont understaand why you say that) Try the k-121, after 6 shots the spread is massive.
What about fraggers nade? it has an even shorter range now! i am ok with onyl getting oen but give that nade Range its what made it strong!

(Blackers) #10

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;102243”]@Blackers you are not forced intoa palystyle but tis what is best for the merc.
Example. you can force fragger into a CLose range merc with an m4 and that.
But Fraggers movement and his stock weapon or the br 16. make him Much mroe fit for Medium ranges, which he exells at.
I use the k-121, and lets just say its the br 16, wiht slower fire rate and worst hipfire spread and heavier recoil.

if you think the br-16 is hard to use at CC (which i dont understaand why you say that) Try the k-121, after 6 shots the spread is massive.
What about fraggers nade? it has an even shorter range now! i am ok with onyl getting oen but give that nade Range its what made it strong!
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So making the merc just overall bad is what is best for them? hardly anyone plays as Kira or Arty now since the update, apart from those of us who think there might be some shred of hope with Dreiss, but then find out that it was just always bad.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Stark AR and the Orbital laser, admittedly I don’t use the Br-16, but from what i hear it isn’t as bad as the Stark AR, but still seems to have a lot of people upset.

At least with Fragger he has a wide range of weapon types to chose from, both primary and secondary, and the M4A1 is always gonna be the choice there. as for close range, any of his secondary’s would just do the trick.

Sorry, but what they have done to Arty, and more so Kira, is just ridiculous.

(yusayu) #11

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;102243”]@Blackers you are not forced intoa palystyle but tis what is best for the merc.
Example. you can force fragger into a CLose range merc with an m4 and that.
But Fraggers movement and his stock weapon or the br 16. make him Much mroe fit for Medium ranges, which he exells at.
I use the k-121, and lets just say its the br 16, wiht slower fire rate and worst hipfire spread and heavier recoil.

if you think the br-16 is hard to use at CC (which i dont understaand why you say that) Try the k-121, after 6 shots the spread is massive.
What about fraggers nade? it has an even shorter range now! i am ok with onyl getting oen but give that nade Range its what made it strong!
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If you dont use the M4 on Fragger you are putting yourself at a disadvantage over an enemy Fragger that does use it. On any merc, you’d always choose the M4 just as you always choose 383 on Sparks, and the Fragger Nade is still stronger than Arty strike or Kira Laser in many situations.
But that is not really it.
They just took away any possibility for Kira to have any chance against other mercs in close-range fights, which is what fast mercs are meant for. Kira was never a viable option when you wanted pure efficiency from your Merc, to kill enemies you will always pick Nader or Fragger but taking her ability to fight close-range fights and have a chance away from her to give her MORE ranged weapons (she already had one, the Dreiss) was totally uncalled for.

To say it in other words: Nerfing an already weak merc doesnt make people happy, especially not those that spent a lot of time practicing said merc and being robbed all that for no apparent reason.