About that balance

(1AGRESSOR) #1

since 10am until 4pm i played 11 matches

4 xp mode
7 objective mode

not a single time that i was in a wining team

i do not know why i am always in a loosing team and in a team that has players from lvl 1 up to max 13
while enemy team has players from min lvl9 up to 50+

APPROXIMATELY ^^^

could it be because i got silver 1 in competitive and now that rank somehow affects noncompetitive matches placement ?

also since phoenix every 3rd kill both me and enemy end up on the ground at the same time
i was never a pro but i had athleast k/d 40%/50% if nothing else
but now its more like 10%/90%

in every game k/d does mean something on some level or sense

for example

better k/d better feeling enjoyment and complete game experience
no one likes to spend 90% of a round spawning

worse k/d apart that ruins game experience makes you loose will confidence and moral
if there is great noticeable k/d ratio between teams naturally the team with better k/d has much greater chances to win

since release of phoenix merc i finally managed ti kill 3 of them LOL ( even dough servers are full of them ) and only because it was 2 to 1 or 3 to 1

one more thing that i don’t know how to do or is it some kinda cheat

i noticed more and more players are able to dodge to side like in game “Hawken” they literal teleport from side to side in front of me NO jumping and NOT lag a like

http://i.imgur.com/GWsy8bB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8pJK2Zb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H7VlWiN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2ZekNQg.jpg

of course red team won

lvl does matter because it denotes players experience skill knowledge of a map and game mechanic ( unless padded of course ) like certain hiding places, covers, trick shots, ambush places, good places for century’s or proxy mines etc… so there is no way that lvl 13 who played this game for 160h has a knowledge experience skill and ROUTINE like lvl50 with 800h play time

so can someone tell me WTF is going on i just can’t be playing decently and getting better since lvl 5 and than suddenly i play like lvl 1 ( now lvl 13 )

anyone with similar experiences ?

and can someone pls tell me which is the max lvl ? ( i have seen 60+ lvl )

Thanks

(watsyurdeal) #2

Ok, first of all, you’re playing on a pub. There is NO skill based matchmaking on pubs.

How can I tell? In comp it displays your rank, not your level when the game is done.

Second, all level is is a measurement to say how long someone has been playing.

I’m level 31 for example, but does that mean a level 10 will be screwed against me? Not necessarily. Either they’re hacking, (like 1% chance), or 99% of the time, they’ve played other shooters and decided to give Dirty Bomb a go. It’s entirely likely that CS and TF2 players are coming over to give this game a try.

Also, being against better players also forces you to adapt. If you’re facing the same people all the time, you’ll never be challenged to improve.

(Faraleth) #3

The pub balancing is a widely talked about issue. Just search the forum and you will find many threads on it - no need to make more about it. :confused:

And to add to what Watsyurdeal said, level does NOT equal skill, ever. I sometimes get my ass handed to me by level 3-4’s, simply because they are new does not mean they will be bad, it just means they’ve only just started out on THIS GAME. It does not mean they aren’t good as FPS’s.

#4

This is matchmaking, the ranks not showing is a common bug.
You are doing nothing wrong, the game just fails to determine player’s skill properly and find a suitable match for you. It’s fairly obvious you are going to get stomped against a premade team of 5 FPS veterans with great teamwork and communications when your team is random players probably playing their first ever matchmaking game.

There is no max level. Highest players are currently level 70-80.

(Mister__Wiggles) #5

As others said previously and I say the same thing every game im in lately. Level means shit in DB. Its based off xp, im a level 27 and have friends that are about 10 levels below me and we are all on the same skill level. People used xp glitches as well so you should never judge a player by level. I would take a team with low levels that are communicating and PTFO over a team of high level players any day.

#6

Can you please stop spreading that BS? I get accused of exp exploiting every darn day…

(Mister__Wiggles) #7

@Kaur
So you’re telling me there was never an xp glitch? If you didn’t glitch you have nothing to worry about do you?

#8

I’m just tired of arguing with those retarded kids who think everyone above level 20 is a hacking exploiter.

(Mister__Wiggles) #9

Maybe calling them ‘retard kids’ isn’t the best way to respond is it?

(Gi.Am) #10

Several things,
The recent weapon tweaking and aimpunch adjustments, have made the game a bit more deadly, not judging but depending on your playstyle or what your combat strength and weaknesses are you might have a harder time now compaired to before.

Outside of that maybe just a bad week for you.

Ranked hinges quite a bit on the playerbase, best time to play is peak hour of your region and hopefully playing in a region that has a large playerbase to begin with (EU/US).
Also I think the Devs stated that surprisingly the majority of players have a gold rank which propably means that finding players below or above is harder aswell.

If all this criteria are met, you can end up with nice matches like this one from today

Was a great match pretty close too.

(Amerika) #11

There is skill based matching that takes place on pubs. I think I’ve talked about this 300 times now :slight_smile: Pub balance is a thing and it takes everyone’s last 10 public matches and then balances based on that. However, it only happens at the start of a new lobby. Which is when everyone is leaving and new players are joining. And the new players aren’t factored into the balance…they just go to the team who needs more players or the Attacking team if there is an even amount.

I know it’s working just fine because I play with some people at times who are pretty evenly matched with me and they are ALWAYS placed on the other team at the start of a new lobby. Not often. Always. And when I solo I always end up playing against the better players to the point where I tend to get saddled with some fairly, uhh, inexperienced players compared to what the other team gets.

So there is definitely balance going on…it’s just doing it at the wrong time. Which I’ve pointed out to the devs but they keep dismissing using weird logic :frowning:

BTW, I played against a level 11 guy last night who pretty much went toe to toe with me for multiple games in a row. That doesn’t happen often even against other level 35+ players. So yeah, level denotes amount of time played but not skill. Also, I played for years and years againsts some people in Q3 who just never got more than mediocre. So not everyone gets better over time.

(refit) #12

I played about twelve matches on Sunday with one win. I had one fun match, when my team lost but played well. The match my team won was a stressful slug fest. We won because we had more fire power, no new players, and no medics.

In poker there is an old joke: if you can’t spot the noob sitting at the table, then it is you.

Dirty Bomb is starting to feel like a grind. I was only playing to get enough points to get a bushwhacker with KEK, Deployable Health, and Look On. I have 1 cobalt, 3 golds, and 5 silvers, and they are all $hit. I need Lockon and Deployable health because turrets have become useless. Why am I doing this? I keep trying to get back to that feeling the first week I played Dirty Bomb.

I think I will play some GTA V for a while.

(Amerika) #13

If you think turrets are worthless then you might be relying on them a bit too much while also not placing them properly.

And I’m not sure why you are grinding for cosmetics. They serve no purpose other than they are cosmetics. You shouldn’t be grinding for them at all and instead just go for them when it makes sense. Play for fun…not because you think you need a blue skin. If that means stepping away for a few days and playing GTA5 go for it. I spent a lot of the last week playing Bayonetta 2 instead of playing DB or working on some other projects I have. It’s all about playing when you feel like it will be fun and not playing when you feel like you have to to get something…doing the latter simply burns you out.

(MarsRover) #14

Ugh. I thought it was simply just on a list of things to do. It didn’t even cross my mind that SD thinks current balancing system is fine.

(Amerika) #15

Ugh. I thought it was simply just on a list of things to do. It didn’t even cross my mind that SD thinks current balancing system is fine.[/quote]

The current balance system seems to be fine. It’s just when it’s done that I don’t agree with. I think teams need to be shuffled during the warmup before a map starts as opposed to only the beginning of a new lobby. SD has said, multiple times, that they only sort when they do because they feel some people pick the mercs/loadouts they do for a side. Which is weird because Stopwatch is the main mode and you play both sides so that logic only works for OBJ.

The only good reason right now to not balance during warmup is they don’t want to tick off friends who are already on the same team and if people have certain missions like secondary objectives that are harder/impossible on one side compared to another.

(1AGRESSOR) #16

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;81407”]Ok, first of all, you’re playing on a pub. There is NO skill based matchmaking on pubs.

i just go quick join choose mode and than find server is that what you all call “pubs” ?

How can I tell? In comp it displays your rank, not your level when the game is done.

like is said in OP “could it be because i got silver 1 in competitive and now that rank somehow affects noncompetitive matches placement ?”

Second, all level is is a measurement to say how long someone has been playing.

I’m level 31 for example, but does that mean a level 10 will be screwed against me? Not necessarily. Either they’re hacking, (like 1% chance), or 99% of the time, they’ve played other shooters and decided to give Dirty Bomb a go. It’s entirely likely that CS and TF2 players are coming over to give this game a try.

Also, being against better players also forces you to adapt. If you’re facing the same people all the time, you’ll never be challenged to improve.[/quote]

so the surgeon that got hes license today can transplant a heart as good or better than a surgeon that is doing that for 30 years ?

[quote=“Faraleth;81408”]The pub balancing is a widely talked about issue. Just search the forum and you will find many threads on it - no need to make more about it. :confused:

ok thanks BUT this is the first time i hear about “pubs” so doing a search for something i am unaware that exists is pointless

And to add to what Watsyurdeal said, level does NOT equal skill, ever. I sometimes get my ass handed to me by level 3-4’s, simply because they are new does not mean they will be bad, it just means they’ve only just started out on THIS GAME. It does not mean they aren’t good as FPS’s.[/quote]

so the surgeon that got hes license today can transplant a heart as good or better than a surgeon that is doing that for 30 years ? just because the new guy was good at practice on cadavers ?

[quote=“Mister__Wiggles;81411”
People used xp glitches as well I would take a team with low levels that are communicating and PTFO over a team of high level players any day.[/quote]

EDITED^^^ AND AGREE just for record i EARNED my lvl14/skill :slight_smile:

[quote=“Gi.Am;81437”]Several things,
The recent weapon tweaking and aimpunch adjustments, have made the game a bit more deadly, not judging but depending on your playstyle or what your combat strength and weaknesses are you might have a harder time now compaired to before.

Outside of that maybe just a bad week for you.

Ranked hinges quite a bit on the playerbase, best time to play is peak hour of your region and hopefully playing in a region that has a large playerbase to begin with (EU/US).
Also I think the Devs stated that surprisingly the majority of players have a gold rank which propably means that finding players below or above is harder aswell.

If all this criteria are met, you can end up with nice matches like this one from today

Was a great match pretty close too.[/quote]

[b]thanks agree 100%

this one from today

also BEAUTIFUL BALANCE ^^^ if it could only be like that all the time[/b]

[quote=“Amerika;81534”]If you think turrets are worthless then you might be relying on them a bit too much while also not placing them properly.
[/quote]

maybe he is beginner aka low lvl so he does not know how where when to place them like me

(1AGRESSOR) #17

quoting scks here and some colored fonts would be great it took me 30 min to put the post above together and it looks like crap

"one more thing that i don’t know how to do or is it some kinda cheat

i noticed more and more players are able to dodge to side like in game “Hawken” they literal teleport from side to side in front of me NO jumping and NOT lag a like"

anyway no one commented on this^^^

THANK YOU ALL for the help answers and your time

(MethodOwn) #18

If you want to win then just play defense. Go spectator if you have to so some other chump gets stuck on attacking team.

(SnakekillerX) #19

It isn’t always match making that is the problem either, sometimes people just open up the server browser and pick a server. This eliminates any balancing the game might try and do otherwise, since you are picking to join a particular server.

While the game might have balanced a game of level 1 to level 10s to join in that server, someone at a higher level could mess everything up just by manually joining the server. On the other side a match full of higher level players could encounter the same problem by having a lower level player manually join their server.

There may be other flaws in the system, but this is a clear one when it comes to balance.

I myself am guilty of manually joining a server rather than using match making, especially when I try and get a friend or two to play with me. A server that is only half full is more likely to allow me and my friends to all join into that server before it is full.

What they really need I think, is just to allow an “Open to Public” option on Private Servers.
So you and some friends can all join in together, and when you are ready it opens the game so others can join. Also, it would be nice to just be able to make a party like Competitive already does, then have the game match make you and your friends into a pub match.

(Jurmabones) #20

You just gotta stick to it and get better. I think you may need to make a conscious effort to try and play differently, from the sounds of it. Maybe ask people who are beating you for tips, or look up help on YouTube. Or if you notice a teammate doing really well, befriend that person and see if you can learn from them.

Good luck.