3d, Move, Mouse Keyboard on Consoles?

[Nail]

depends on the track

[knippon]

think of it this way - if you were in a race where everyone was on horseback, and you found a way to replace your horse with a Ferrari, wouldn’t you like to gain the upper hand and drive that instead?

That is probably the logic that aimbotters/wall hackers use.

[Herandar]

By saying handicap u mean auto-aim assist?

Yes, but I don’t remember the exact details. What I seem to recall is that when FASA was developing the game to play on both the 360 and Windows, they figured that 360 players were at a serious disadvantage against their PC cousins using a mouse + keyboard. So they set up the system so that anyone using a controller (PC or 360, I think) had aim assist and maybe something else to even the playing field. But they overestimated the skill disparity, and when actually played, people using the controller had a noticeable advantage over M+KB players.

Might have been something that was caught in beta… Don’t know if I’ll ever find that story again.

[Herandar]

Don’t know if I’ll ever find that story again.

Did a search and I found a GT forum where user beute was rocking the Brink avatar and signature.

[trigg3r]

That is probably the logic that aimbotters/wall hackers use.

except aimbot/wallhack is illegal and this isnt. There’s a big difference

[Achtung]

Wow, this thread blew the hell up. Id have checked it earlier, but the Brink updates are so slow to come out…

I dont know if any controller fanatics know this, but if you’ve played enough COD games on PC you see a degree of users that use a XBOX 360 or PS3 controller on the PC as well. They prefer it.

You can see it in the killcam replays by their movement. Some people use to question there legitimacy due to the weird movement you see in the replays, but its just the controllers MO.

Anyways, they are often damn good players, so if they can compete so can any person who swears by controllers on console.

And one last time. If all players had the option it would be perfectly fair. Especially since most of you are typing on a USB keyboard and using a USB mouse right now. I use this keyboard to play Monster Hunter on the Wii ffs.

Now on to the Move and Sharpshooter. Its pretty awesome for Killzone 3, however it has some weird calibration issues. Once you are past that and get the settings right its super sweet. Even the navigation is pretty good.

As for games that are made to be on consoles, Brink is not one of these titles. If you watch Splash Damages history they are old school PC shooter folks. Which is most likely the reason they are still supporting PC. Sure they are multi-platform, but its soul is derived in some of the best PC shooters of all time.

BTW this topic included a question about 3D as well lol. Anyone?

[SockDog]

Some people see choice as change and resist it with all effort.

Nvidia has 3D support in its own drivers, not sure about Ati/AMD. I’m eager to see what it brings to games via the 3DS but not overly sure I’d want it on a multiplayer game if it proved distracting.

[Mustang]

…aimbot/wallhack is illegal…

Not entirely convinced by this statement
It is breach of EULA, which is breach of contract
Contracts can being legally enforced by a court
However whether something is legal or illegal is governed by laws
And contracts are not laws, so how can it be illegal per se
Hmmm…

[Nuggedee]

I could really care less if someone was using “M+KB” on a console. Unless the aim assist is ridiculously nonexistent (it’s a console it needs aim assist) then they won’t get so much of an advantage. Actually, people using the keyboard and mouse might detest the aim assist because it can at times throw off aim. Also, console gamers tend to be less “hardcore” unless the game is an exclusive title. (Ie Halo)

[LyndonL]

I’m eager to see what it brings to games via the 3DS but not overly sure I’d want it on a multiplayer game if it proved distracting.

I’m reading a lot of bad reports on the 3D aspect of the 3DS - a lot of people are deactivating the 3D for it. It’s causing a lot of headaches after 30-120 mins use. Apparently the older the eyes the lower the threshold for coping with the 3D.

As I’ve always believed from the start… it’s a gimmick. 3D rears its head once or twice a decade, and it’s time again. I’m waiting for holographs to improve their frame rate… THAT’S the future… Especially when mixed with ultrasound to provide feedback

[MrX]

[QUOTE=LyndonL;266847]I’m reading a lot of bad reports on the 3D aspect of the 3DS - a lot of people are deactivating the 3D for it. It’s causing a lot of headaches after 30-120 mins use. Apparently the older the eyes the lower the threshold for coping with the 3D.

As I’ve always believed from the start… it’s a gimmick. 3D rears its head once or twice a decade, and it’s time again. I’m waiting for holographs to improve their frame rate… THAT’S the future… Especially when mixed with ultrasound to provide feedback :D[/QUOTE]

Ive played 3ds for about 30 minutes then i close it and never wanted to play again.MY eyes were in so much pain.3ds is a total gimmick and doesnt worth the money

[SockDog]

[quote=LyndonL;266847]I’m reading a lot of bad reports on the 3D aspect of the 3DS - a lot of people are deactivating the 3D for it. It’s causing a lot of headaches after 30-120 mins use. Apparently the older the eyes the lower the threshold for coping with the 3D.

As I’ve always believed from the start… it’s a gimmick. 3D rears its head once or twice a decade, and it’s time again. I’m waiting for holographs to improve their frame rate… THAT’S the future… Especially when mixed with ultrasound to provide feedback :D[/quote]

I’m a little dubious of those claims, if it’s really as bad as people make out Nintendo would have a dead system. I think there might just be some people expecting no adjustment and kneejerking into “omg it doesn’t work”. I’m a little hopeful they’ll be proven wrong, well $250 hopeful anyway.

As for a gimmick. Yes 3D is a fun concept that just seemed crippled by the reality of it’s implementation. That said Nintendo does seem to be one company that can build a platform around a “gimmick” and then provide enough software ideas for it to take off. No assurances of course but they just might pull it off before your holodeck fantasies get realised.

[Nail]

seems some of the 3D problems are because the image doesn’t like to be off perpendicular, not so good with twitchy kids

[SockDog]

Yeah, this is what I’m thinking, everyone has said there is a sweet spot and I imagine if you’re out of it or passing back and forth it would provide some strain on the eyes. Still can’t imagine Nintendo would release a product that just plainly didn’t work.

I’d also say that there must be some adjustment needed purely because fo the different way you’re processing the information. Low FOV makes me claustraphobic, others get motion sickness, I don’t doubt that unless you adjust, playing in 3D will feel different which some people will process as discomfort.

I’m still eager to see where the 3DS goes and especially the glasses free technology. Nintendo really made touch interfaces work in games and if anyone can bring 3D to the fore it’ll be them. My biggest reserve is that the resolution of the device is just so low but then, as with touch, soon as it’s proven others will copy and improve.

[Achtung]

Well once again I have to bring up Killzone 3, but this time because I played the entire SP in 3D and it was incredible. Gran Turismo’s 3D is Wonky if you want to drive in the cockpit though.

I play MP with it on or off depending on if i want to lay down and play or not which is the same for using the Sharpshooter.

Just a quick note on 3D being a gimmick. They are hiring like mad on the west coast for 3D. Including work on 6 Lucas Films. 3D conversion is a very big deal right now, though I prefer films that were filmed in 3D originally, Alice In Wonderland looks fantastic. So it must be how much work they put into it.

I just wonder how many people who just finally stepped up to HD will ready for a new purchase. Though I think the IMAX 3d movie experience is still very popular.

I’d guess though that since Brink is multi-platform we wont see too much on 3D or Move.

But If im just wishin for stuff, i’d take the M+KB over 3D or Move any day.

[MrX]

Only avatar is the real 3d movie!I think 3ds is just gimmick.Its better when u use glasses for 3d but even with them u cant watch 3d over 2-3 hours.Also tv are already manufactured that dont use 3d glasses and are working similar to 3ds but as i read the quality is way better than 3ds .

[SockDog]

@Actung - I don’t think 3D is worth an upgrade but on a new purchase it’s a nice bullet point. I’m in the market for a second tv for my gaming room and am currently weighing up the whole size+hz vs 3D capable.

With M+KB I guess they could patch it in. Move I’m not sure how much work would go into making it work after the fact.

@Mr.X - Why is the 3DS a gimmick? The DS and Wii were branded gimmicks and went on the change how gaming was perceived. And of course technology improves over time, hell Nintendo is renowned for using older, established and cheaper tech. That doesn’t mean it won’t fit the purpose it was designed for.

[EcafNoGav]

Playing with a keyboard and mouse on the 360, I have to say, the quality of having aim assist on or off depends on how good the overall look mechanic is in the first place. Some games have weird acceleration or velocities making precision and snapping unreliable so you have to use aim assist. With some games you can come close or replicate a 1:1 velocity and in those games it depends on your ability with the mouse and your own personal preference.

As far as whether it’s fair. The massive amounts of aim assist games have definitely evens the playing field I’ve seen gamepad players (prodigy joey) who do some crazy stuff that would put mouse users to shame.

[MrX]

[QUOTE=SockDog;267137]@Actung - I don’t think 3D is worth an upgrade but on a new purchase it’s a nice bullet point. I’m in the market for a second tv for my gaming room and am currently weighing up the whole size+hz vs 3D capable.

With M+KB I guess they could patch it in. Move I’m not sure how much work would go into making it work after the fact.

@Mr.X - Why is the 3DS a gimmick? The DS and Wii were branded gimmicks and went on the change how gaming was perceived. And of course technology improves over time, hell Nintendo is renowned for using older, established and cheaper tech. That doesn’t mean it won’t fit the purpose it was designed for.[/QUOTE]

3ds is gimmick cause it is not even close to the real 3d.Its like fake 3d and also u get tired very quickly with 3d on

ps. cant stand the fact that a program helps me aim.So i prefer keynoard+mouse all the way.Total ctrl.Imagine if quakelive was played with controllers and aim assist on.All the spectacular things then ,they would be gone and real aim and reflex also.So yeah some games need keyboard and mouse even on consoles.

[Herandar]

I prefer my movies and games to be 2D. I have no interest in seeing any movie in 3D.