3 mercs aren't enought for the Squad!

(GatoCommodore) #21

Also, there are purist people who always bring skyhammer/stoker and aura/sparks but never brought engie. They fight good, but their talent wasted on playing engie sitting behind EV so they decided to fight on the front to make way for the team fix EV

(OwynTyler) #22

How can I consider 1st gen cards? I mean there is no way to get those now, is there?..

Plus 20% isn’t nearly as fast as engineers do it anyway (and it’s only defensive - defusing bomb bonus, not for planting it bonus), plus Proxy is more than just an engineer (engineers doesn’t only repair, but also defuses, plants, constructs, also doing it by surprise alone) - also mines for making traps and superior speed for delivering containers, I mostly played Fletcher before I got proxy cuz when I entered this game the one thing that I felt was missing the most - was grenades to smoke out enemies from their safe-spots.

My 1st merc I got and still my favorite one is Sparks, but as you may know, - she’s only usefull if people she heals\revives are usefull too… so I kinda don’t know what to bring into server now - my medic or my squad of all-purpose (engi, sniper, fire-support\assault) to actually be able to do something in the game, cause there are a lot stompings happening (cause no proper team-balance [ my another suggestion-thread which also got tons of hate ] ), yea if one day I feel like sniping is fun and I want to go sniping - it won’t be as fun in a hard-loosing match which I could turn-around or at least try my best at it with needed at the moment mercs

(pumpkinmeerkat) #23

@Owyn you can purchase all bronze gen 1 loadouts in the store with credits or cash.

(Nail) #24

I doubt he’ll let facts interfere with his rant as he can’t even comprehend that my post has nothing to do with him but he flags me anyways. POS

@RazielWarmonic can we get this flag spammer dealt with

(Your worst knifemare.) #25

3 mercs are plenty. Each merc have their own strengths and weaknesses and by only allowing 3 it allows players and teams to experiment with different tactics. An example is an assalt bushwacker.

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FML
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I bet they spammed ‘‘Kawaii!’’ like there’s no tomorrow. [/quote]

I know i would…or have…

(GatoCommodore) #26

How can I consider 1st gen cards? I mean there is no way to get those now, is there?..

Plus 20% isn’t nearly as fast as engineers do it anyway (and it’s only defensive - defusing bomb bonus, not for planting it bonus), plus Proxy is more than just an engineer (engineers doesn’t only repair, but also defuses, plants, constructs, also doing it by surprise alone) - also mines for making traps and superior speed for delivering containers, I mostly played Fletcher before I got proxy cuz when I entered this game the one thing that I felt was missing the most - was grenades to smoke out enemies from their safe-spots.

My 1st merc I got and still my favorite one is Sparks, but as you may know, - she’s only usefull if people she heals\revives are usefull too… so I kinda don’t know what to bring into server now - my medic or my squad of all-purpose (engi, sniper, fire-support\assault) to actually be able to do something in the game, cause there are a lot stompings happening (cause no proper team-balance [ my another suggestion-thread which also got tons of hate ] ), yea if one day I feel like sniping is fun and I want to go sniping - it won’t be as fun in a hard-loosing match which I could turn-around or at least try my best at it with needed at the moment mercs[/quote]

20% is not nearly as fast, but its the downside of having Burst rifle, fast pistol, drilled, and a laser.

also, you can buy 1 in the store with credits.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #27

@Eox @Ardez @Amerika flag op plz nerf

(Nail) #28

don’t punt him, splain him

(Eox) #29

There’s a good reason why you can only bring three mercs in your squad : you’re supposed to make a choice. There’s some jobs you will be able to cover, some that you won’t. This is why you have 4 other allies with you in a competitive match. As a team, everyone should be given his own task and select his mercs accordingly. If you pack a medic, a support and an assault, you won’t be able to cover objectives efficiently, so someone else should do that. Meanwhile you can cover that engineer with your assault or support merc, or revive him if things goes rough with your medic depending of what you are currently playing. This is called teamwork.

That limited merc selection is made so teams have to put in place a strategy at their merc selection. It works for solo players as well.

(K1X455) #30

One more thing to add to Eox’s post is…

Server load.

If each player has 5 mercs, a 6v6 will have potentially 180 different mercs (note the variety of loadouts as well), and that’ll be too demanding for the server.

(OwynTyler) #31

[quote=“K1X455;c-219207”]One more thing to add to Eox’s post is…

Server load.

If each player has 5 mercs, a 6v6 will have potentially 180 different mercs (note the variety of loadouts as well), and that’ll be too demanding for the server. [/quote]

Wut? How? Are you a DB developer to say that? :o

Well, except those are people you meet for the firsst time, you might just end up all together with the same squad without some roles, just by chance, it’s not the “lack of cooperatio”, it’s just (un)luck

+You all said that expanding squad pool would bring unblance and make people switch to new roles when needed - but they already can do that, by rejoining the public server to change their squad.

(hawkeyeguy99) #32

I have yet to see someone disconnect from a game and reconnect just to switch mercs. That’s seriously way too much effort for little to no payoff.

(OwynTyler) #33

So now my super-balance-breaking suggestion is “little to no payoff”? ok… :wink:

(Mc1412013) #34

Omg 17 dislikes wow is that the record for a single post in here

(Madonna_) #35

Fletcher Sawbonez and Fragger and you can even reach the moon…
what else do you want

(tominatorx) #36

[quote=“Owyn;c-219209”]
+You all said that expanding squad pool would bring unblance and make people switch to new roles when needed - but they already can do that, by rejoining the public server to change their squad.[/quote]

But can they really? I mean yes it’s possible to do something like that but let us say that if you start a match and after 1 or 2 minutes you notice that you will “need” to change to a merc that is not in your squad. By the time you have disconnected, changed your mercs around and reconnected you’ve basically wasted a huge amount of time. So basically what you have done by using that method is: wasted time you could have used focusing on the objective and let your team play with 1 player less than the enemy team.

So basically by doing that, your team (that already had problems with succeeding in the objectives) will have to play with one player less than the enemy team (for a certain amount of time) which will most likely lead to a situation in which they have even more troubles with the objective.

Chances are high that the objective will almost be over by the time you come back with your “adapted” squad.

The thing with 3 mercs per squad is that (like @Eox said) you have to make a choice. It’s a strategic element so to say. For instance if I see that the next objective is going to be Bridge, or Chapel, I’ll switch Stoker into Skyhammer or Kira. If the next map is Underground or Terminal, I’ll switch back to Stoker.

I basically always have a medic and an engineer in my squad. The 3rd slot can be anything: Nader, Skyhammer, Kira, Stoker,… whoever I need for the next map.

That’s what SD wants you to do. Make decisions before you start at a match. Plan ahead. Who will I need? Let’s see… it’s an EV mission so I’ll need a merc that can destroy the EV and a merc that can repair it.

With 5 slots in your squad. There’s no planning ahead involved anymore. It would also (like some people have said it before) lead to a complete change of the balance of the game. It would be almost impossible to do that.

@K1X455 mentioned the amount of combinations that are possible and what the technical complications are. But technical complications aside the more possible combinations, the harder it is to balance something. If you suddenly see a whole team running around with Proxy (or even better Skyhammer => airstrikes every 10 seconds), that is something SD doesn’t want. Because it completely screws with the balance of the game.

(K1X455) #37

I can’t remember who among SD/Nexon who said it exactly, but it was along those lines. Honestly, don’t expect to do it all. You can’t give ammo and be an efficient reviver all the time. You can’t be healer and expect not to run out of ammo. If you try being objective, you won’t last long if the other team gangs up on you. Truth be told, you’re right about lack of cooperation and it’s the obvious thing that will bring out the best DB player in any public games. DB facilitates the game, it’s up to the players to bring to the table their cohesion. There are other tools of the game that help, namely, VoIP tools, fancy hardware (I’m not going to elaborate there because Nexon hasn’t given me a straight answered my question).

Think of it this way. You only have one role in the game. Name that role and choose the best merc to deliver that role. If there’s too many of you doing the role, then the team could be lacking in something else that the other team might leverage against.

(Dr_Plantboss) #38

@Owyn

Is this your steam profile? steamcommunity.com/id/lambda_11

I have some advice for you if it is:
Play more of the game. Get 250 hours, and play a bit of comp. Then come back and complain. At least then you can put forth a better argument.

If this isn’t your steam account and you have played a lot, then maybe this isn’t the right game for you. Winning isn’t everything, and it’s called a GAME because it’s meant for having fun. If you absolutely have to win, don’t play the game. If everyone you play with has to be at least as intelligent as you are, don’t play multiplayer games.

(OwynTyler) #39

It’s not about winning, it’s about playing a balanced game where roles are fullfilled,

And no there is NO WAY to play comp cuz… there is NO comp, no such button.

(Nail) #40

DBNation holds both PUGs and Tournaments, you should pay more attention and possibly get some more actual in game time