20 Elite Cases 20 Silvers......BUGGED


(CadGamings) #1

I’m a huge fan of Dirty Bomb and I really don’t mind supporting the game and devs. by buying some Elite Cases.

I’ve opened 20 Elite Case (18 ReV & 2 ‘‘Normal’’ Elite) and I’ve gotten 20 Silvers!!

I know it’s all RNG-based and the chance of getting a Silver is quiet high, 70% for ReV & 80% ‘‘Normal’’, but that would mean the chance of getting 20 Silvers ~ (0,71^20) * 100% = 0,106% that is the same as getting a Cobalt.

Now I know that’s a 1/1000 chance and that’s something we’ve all hear with the booster thing. BUT the is with free in-game currency, I paid over €70 for 20 Silvers. Which apparently is the same chance of getting a Cobalt from a Equipment Case, which we can all agree is DAM low!

I don’t see how you would punish paying players that help found the game and keep you from getting fired. I REALLY think it’s about time that the Elite Case system gets a rework to were it’s worth actually buying.

And before people say that €70 is much, it kind of is for a free to F2P game, I also spend €70 on the Containment War Case and again didn’t get a SINGLE Special or Cobalt.

I’m quiet salty that I’ve spend over €250 and only have 8 Cobalt of which I got 2 from Equipment Cases and 3 Form trade ups.

I don’t know if I’m the only one experiencing this problem (probably the only idiot to buy the cases in the first place), but this is just not fair…or bugged?


(Jostabeere) #2

0.1% for getting 20 Silvers from 20 Cases? It does not work that way, sorry.


(PurpleNurple) #3

Sounds like you didn’t sacrifice to the RNGods before you opened. I bought the 10 pack and got all silvers too. It’s not their fault we’re unlucky. Just RNG doing its thing.


(Freezer_Boss) #4

Oooh, hello @YT_CadGamings


(Freezer_Boss) #5

Though the video was funny


(CadGamings) #6

You’re right, but for 18 ReV Case: 0,70^18 = 0,163%. Adding the 2 Elite cases will only decrease the chance…

I do not know how to calculate the exact odds, like with dependent and independent chances and stuff, but the point is that the odds of getting 20 silvers form 20 case is extremely low and may be bugged…

And as long as there is no trade-system, people that pay big bucks for cases should at least be guaranteed a gold card.


(renownedGlory) #7

Same here, bugged !


(Captain_Forward) #8

Know that feel. I opened 62 elite cases so far, ~13 expert cases and hundreds of usual ones, and I haven’t got a single cobalt drop. Rigged?


(Jostabeere) #9

You’re right, but for 18 ReV Case: 0,70^18 = 0,163%. Adding the 2 Elite cases will only decrease the chance…

I do not know how to calculate the exact odds, like with dependent and independent chances and stuff, but the point is that the odds of getting 20 silvers form 20 case is extremely low and may be bugged…

And as long as there is no trade-system, people that pay big bucks for cases should at least be guaranteed a gold card.[/quote]

The odds of getting 20 out of 20 isn’t low. It is still high because every case on its own has a high chance. You don’t get better odds if your previous case had a Silver or a lesser chance on a Silver. Sadly I’m not enough of a math pro to explain it correctly.
I don’t try to defend the system, because it’s crap in my eyes aswell and people get way too little for the money they pay, but the odds are really higher than ~0.1%.


(AlphaUT) #10

“RNG”


(Backuplight) #11

On the flip side, if you’d gotten one, or two, or even ten cobalts… would it actually have been worth the money? Would you have gotten a bunch of cobalts for mercs you hate, using weapons you loathe?

The smart choice: don’t buy shitty overpriced elite cases.


(bontsa) #12

So yet another person sees cases are not worth it. Specifically with current loadout system, where even if you got eyecandy, you can still get sub-par functionality.

Good, now spread the word and SD & Nexon has to change it sooner than later when they lose revenue.


(CadGamings) #13

[quote=“Backuplight;177356”]On the flip side, if you’d gotten one, or two, or even ten cobalts… would it actually have been worth the money? Would you have gotten a bunch of cobalts for mercs you hate, using weapons you loathe?

The smart choice: don’t buy @$!# overpriced elite cases.[/quote]

[quote=“bontsa;177359”]So yet another person sees cases are not worth it. Specifically with current loadout system, where even if you got eyecandy, you can still get sub-par functionality.

Good, now spread the word and SD & Nexon has to change it sooner than later when they lose revenue.[/quote]

Both of you are right, that’s the whole point of this topic. I’m not crying about the fact that I got 20 silvers but that SD needs to change the system, as long as we don’t have a trade system.

And yes I’d play cobalt mercs even if they are shitty mercs and/or loadouts (part of the fun the try new stuff).


(AnonOmis1000) #14

“OMG I DIDN’T GET A SINGLE CARD THAT I HAVE A LOW CHANCE OF GETTING! THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!!!”


(Yes) #15

You haven’t lived until you’ve gotten 32 silvers in a row from elites.


(SzGamer227) #16

Alright people, the math geek who understands how probability works has arrived.

Let’s get cracking.

If you’ve spent over $250, I’m going to guess that translates to about 65 Elite Cases. If you have gotten 5 Cobalt Cards from Elite Cases, then sir, I would like to inform you that despite your incredible 20-Silver streak, you are actually ahead of the curve on collecting Cobalt cards. The expected number of Cobalts obtained from 65 Elite Cases is just over 3. A quick cumulative binomial distribution calculation says that you have gotten the same or more Cobalt cards than what 78% of people would be expected to get with the same number of Elite Cases, so congrats, you’ve gotten more than what you’ve paid for. throws confetti

If it doesn’t feel like you’ve gotten your money’s worth, then I hate to inform you that you severely underestimated the cash value of the Cobalt cards.

You’re right, but for 18 ReV Case: 0,70^18 = 0,163%. Adding the 2 Elite cases will only decrease the chance…

I do not know how to calculate the exact odds, like with dependent and independent chances and stuff, but the point is that the odds of getting 20 silvers form 20 case is extremely low and may be bugged…

And as long as there is no trade-system, people that pay big bucks for cases should at least be guaranteed a gold card.[/quote]

The odds of getting 20 out of 20 isn’t low. It is still high because every case on its own has a high chance. You don’t get better odds if your previous case had a Silver or a lesser chance on a Silver. Sadly I’m not enough of a math pro to explain it correctly.
I don’t try to defend the system, because it’s crap in my eyes aswell and people get way too little for the money they pay, but the odds are really higher than ~0.1%.[/quote]

@Jostabeere - Separate case openings are independent from each other, so the chance of getting 20 Silvers in the row is very simply the probabilities of getting a Silver multiplied together with each other 20 times. If the 18 ReV cases had a 70% and the 2 others had 80%, then the odds for getting all Silver cards comes out at (0.7^18)*(.8^2)=0.00104 or 1 out of 960. So no, getting 20 out of 20 Silvers is not even remotely high. The decrease in probability is exponential with each additional trial.

The thing you have to understand about a 70% is that you can expect to get an average of 1 or 2 Gold+ cards for every five cases you open. It’s almost a 1/3 chance to get a Gold+ card, so if you go more than 9 cases only getting Silver cards, you’re straying pretty damn far from what you’re “supposed” or rather expected to get. 20 in a row is simply incredible.

@Ford_Prefect - Probability calculations say that there’s a 4% probability of going 62 Elite Cases without a Cobalt, 67% of not getting one from 13 Expert Cases, and 82% of not getting one from 200 standard cases. Put it all together and you get a spectacular 2.3% chance of not getting a Cobalt card directly from those cases. Pretty bad.

@Yes - Dude, the odds of going 32 Elite Cases without anything more than a Silver is 0.08%, or 1 in 1260. That, well, that’s really really awful luck.


(Dysfnal) #17

@SzGamer227 NERRRRRRRRD!
JK thanks for settling this so I didn’t have to, because I wouldn’t have (too plain lazy)


(doxjq) #18

It’s just luck of the draw, you can’t really complain if you buy into it knowing there is a chance of bad luck. I once bought 10 elite cases and got 9 silvers and 1 gold, yet another time I bought 10 expert cases (expert, not elite) and got 2 cobalts, 4 golds, 1 silver and 3 bronze. It’s just how it works.


(Peikko) #19

I think you are supposed to yell “rigged” not say that it’s bugged.


(Firestorm7112) #20

@YT_CadGamings welcome to dirty bomb