Your opinion on the game

(Lumi) #21

[quote=“Tayski;104529”]

this. it’s better than most games out there and it’s still a work in progress.
At least the developers address the issues communicated by the players, something you can’t say for many other games.[/quote]

Unfortunately times without count the devs have taken stupid decisions and introduced things that nobody asked for or implemented things in a completely wrong way: Dreiss nerf, trade-in function, removal of most of the recoil, recent burst rifle nerfs, etc.

The devs work in the U.K. and the community managers work in the USA and they have said live on stream that they don’t easily get a chance to communicate… How can that work out for the best. They should be communicating on a daily basis, no matter the time zones… This way, SD is developing in a little bubble while we discuss what we would like or dislike out here without any kind of influence. I know that too much “bla bla” can harm the development but complete hermetism is not the way to go either.

Bottom line, it’s in Beta, it has many issues and albeit they should be taking out bugs and polishing the game as well, they just seem to be incompetent at fixing them (some have been around for months) and they just keep adding new bugs with each release. The game was great at some point, but it is being flushed down the drain…

(Sir_Slam) #22

lol @ the people who hate this game and post on its forums. What are you even doing here exactly?

I think this title has some major, MAJOR potential. Most fun I’ve had in ages. And it is in beta, so having buggy game is to be expected. Beta is when they fix this kind of crap.

(watsyurdeal) #23

I love this game, and people who hate it, I will murder you ingame till you leave.

(Amerika) #24

[quote=“Lumi;104593”][quote=“Tayski;104529”]

this. it’s better than most games out there and it’s still a work in progress.
At least the developers address the issues communicated by the players, something you can’t say for many other games.[/quote]

Unfortunately times without count the devs have taken stupid decisions and introduced things that nobody asked for or implemented things in a completely wrong way: Dreiss nerf, trade-in function, removal of most of the recoil, recent burst rifle nerfs, etc.

The devs work in the U.K. and the community managers work in the USA and they have said live on stream that they don’t easily get a chance to communicate… How can that work out for the best. They should be communicating on a daily basis, no matter the time zones… This way, SD is developing in a little bubble while we discuss what we would like or dislike out here without any kind of influence. I know that too much “bla bla” can harm the development but complete hermetism is not the way to go either.

Bottom line, it’s in Beta, it has many issues and albeit they should be taking out bugs and polishing the game as well, they just seem to be incompetent at fixing them (some have been around for months) and they just keep adding new bugs with each release. The game was great at some point, but it is being flushed down the drain… [/quote]

MissMurder is the Nexon community manager for Dirty Bomb. Shoe is the community manager for Splash Damage and is based in the UK and works at the SD offices.

(BomBaKlaK) #25

[quote=“Kaur;104153”]Full of bugs
Audio is complete turd
Horrible performance even on high end machines
Matchmaking does not work
Loadout cards system is horrible
Half the weapons are just pure trash (shotguns, burst rifles)
Super slow development
No maps
Hit detection all over the place
Hacker problems
Whiny community who blames the game for their own lack of skill

And yet, there is no better game out there.
Please kill me.[/quote]

Same issue over here …
Lac of content and especially maps make the game boring in a short period of time …

Lot of my mates are already left, or wait for a real content update. A lot are looking at Overwatch to find another game. So if SD don’t do something quick then a lot of people will move away and find another game to play.

(1AGRESSOR) #26

it’s starting to get real boring maybe if we had some attachments and recoil less mercs

or actually less mercs with more abilities

also people with ping 500 joining servers
and huge terrible constant frame drops

are really throwing me off

(1AGRESSOR) #27

LOL

(Amerika) #28

[quote=“BOMBA;104628”][quote=“Kaur;104153”]Full of bugs
Audio is complete turd
Horrible performance even on high end machines
Matchmaking does not work
Loadout cards system is horrible
Half the weapons are just pure trash (shotguns, burst rifles)
Super slow development
No maps
Hit detection all over the place
Hacker problems
Whiny community who blames the game for their own lack of skill

And yet, there is no better game out there.
Please kill me.[/quote]

Same issue over here …
Lac of content and especially maps make the game boring in a short period of time …

Lot of my mates are already left, or wait for a real content update. A lot are looking at Overwatch to find another game. So if SD don’t do something quick then a lot of people will move away and find another game to play. [/quote]

I’ve had access to OW for a while now. I hope you guys find enjoyment where I’ve found very little :frowning: I might still change my mind. I didn’t like DB much when I first got access to it due to the super spammy nature of the explosives (Nader in particular…she was insane back then). Time and game adjustments will tell.

I am currently content with DB as I have tried to keep realistic expectations about the game as it matures over time. A lot of issues have been resolved since Open Beta was launched and a ton of features added. They have said that their #1 priority right now is getting new content in maps out the door. But it will take some time and SD does not have Blizzard’s staff. I’d love to see some of the long standing issues fixed (map glitches and that gdamn sound bug) but those are relatively minor in the face of what is a good game overall. I don’t let it ruin my night if I get a sound bug. I just type killallsounds and go about my business.

(yusayu) #29

[quote=“Mister__Wiggles;104256”][quote=“random;104250”]No competitive team matchmaking.
Bugs all over the place.
The way they’re trying to make cash is crap.
Unreasonable balance changes in patches.
Fire Supports have no real role in the game.
New mercs are released before old ones are fully balanced.[/quote]

  1. Agree
  2. ‘beta’
  3. Agree but still ‘beta’
  4. Fire supports are key on most the maps so I don’t know what you mean by this
  5. Again, ‘beta’

Don’t expect the game to perform like a full release when its still in an early form, yes I share your frustration but its a work in progress so it will take time to get things right.[/quote]

No frustration, or i would’ve stopped playing a long time ago (precisely the reason i stopped playing League of Leggins), just my opinion of stuff that really needs to be addressed.

This game is in OPEN beta for a long-ass time (compared to other games) and players are starting to form an opinion whether a game is in beta or not. So if the cash model is crap and not fixed or there’s too many bugs, games are imbalanced or anything like that, their opinion will form, and as everyone will have learned in school (and psychology or thelike), first impressions are a pain in the ass to get rid off. Especially in the times of the internet.

I agree that many things are like that because this game is still in Beta, but especially with this Cash Model, Nexon showed that they have no idea how to correctly monetize a F2P game, beta or not. The mess it is atm should just not have happened, and that AngryJoe video wouldn’t have happened either. It drove a lot of players away. I can live with a beta not being complete/bug-free/working but not everyone has patience.

(cordovanJive) #30

@Amerika

Oh gosh… You should just let me use that, aye? ;D

Kidding… (Mostly >.> <.< )

(Lumi) #31

[quote=“Amerika;104624”]

MissMurder is the Nexon community manager for Dirty Bomb. Shoe is the community manager for Splash Damage and is based in the UK and works at the SD offices.[/quote]

That’s exactly my point. You see MissMurder on the forums some times but Shoe has been absent for ages. I know that he can still be reading stuff, but honestly the impression I get is that very little gets through to the devs.

I posted a bug a few weeks back and Noxie told me she would investigate if it is a bug or actual game design. Still no reply on that. Overall, bugs and issues seem to be ignored or swept under the rug (secondary missions issues), while the community’s wishes are only half understood and the changes that nobody requested are plentiful. Just doesn’t strike as a team that has it’s communication figured out.

(kibloy) #32

The game itself is absolutely amazing.

But the average player in this game is so utterly terrible I want to kill myself after 2 matches on public servers. A decent matchmaking system would fix that but we all know how that turned out.

(sparseHawk) #33

yeah would be much better with skillful players, spectating people i mostly see potato aim and lack of awareness

(Amerika) #34

[quote=“Lumi;104679”][quote=“Amerika;104624”]

MissMurder is the Nexon community manager for Dirty Bomb. Shoe is the community manager for Splash Damage and is based in the UK and works at the SD offices.[/quote]

That’s exactly my point. You see MissMurder on the forums some times but Shoe has been absent for ages. I know that he can still be reading stuff, but honestly the impression I get is that very little gets through to the devs.

I posted a bug a few weeks back and Noxie told me she would investigate if it is a bug or actual game design. Still no reply on that. Overall, bugs and issues seem to be ignored or swept under the rug (secondary missions issues), while the community’s wishes are only half understood and the changes that nobody requested are plentiful. Just doesn’t strike as a team that has it’s communication figured out.[/quote]

SD doesn’t peruse these forums themselves very often as they have their own forum and most of the issues discussed here are pushed across the wire. SD has their own forums that they sometimes are involved in and then there is of course Reddit. I personally dislike the fractured nature of the communication mediums. So I would agree that communication is a bit janky. That’s partly what the joint streams are for now. To try and be more transparent with future going ons. If you think they could do a better job then speak up. Post on Reddit. Post on the SD forums. Many people do that.

Now, you’ll probably dislike me for this but it’s my genuine viewpoint and always has been in regards to most games. Sometimes you just have to learn to let things not ruin your perspective. Sure, secondary missions suck. But why is it ruining your evening/playing? It’s a minor thing. The sound bug is super annoying and has been “fixed” without being fixed more times than I can count. It’s annoying. It doesn’t ruin my evening though. And no, I don’t agree with every change that’s been made. I really dislike that explosions don’t gib and have made my voice heard. Nobody I know of asked for that. But it is a minor thing compared to the bigger picture of the entire game. I didn’t lose all enjoyment because players now have to be lower HP for them to get gibbed by my Fragger nade.

Sometimes you just need to relax and remember to have fun rather than fixate on issues or you become just like a lot of the jaded guys who played DB way too much in a short period of time, took it way too seriously for an open beta (that didn’t even have proper private servers for a long time) and started doing nothing but treating minor issues as OMG GAME IS SO BROKE OMG. Putting issues into perspective helps quite a bit. If I focused on nothing but the issues or bugs that the products I work on at my job I’d be the most uptight and unfriendly person on the planet.

But this is just my viewpoint. You don’t have to agree with it. This is why I can stick around with a game I like for years. Q3 is not perfect and never has been. But I still play it. SoF2, CS:S, ET and other games I’ve stopped playing were not perfect. But I didn’t quit because I got myself incredibly upset over what were minor issues with the games and moved on to a new game hoping it wouldn’t have flaws. I quit because I felt it was time to quit or I found something I enjoyed even more.

(Lumi) #35

@Amerika

I totally disagree with you. Good for you if those minor things don’t bother you. In fact, taken individually they don’t bother me either, yet the pile is getting so big I can barely see the game. When I won’t be able to I’ll get tired of looking at the pile of problems alone and I’ll move on.

You’re a moderator, so you’re trying to moderate the situation and make it sound less bad than it actually is. Yet you acknowledge the persistence of these issues and there are people with less patience in the world. To me, gaming is a frustration venting place, not a place where I find more frustration. This is why all of the issues bother me so much.

And I’m not going to stop complaining because I need to put things into perspective. That’s how incompetence prevails. By not relentlessly shaming it and asking for better. I hate it, and unfortunately see it a lot: people who go through life with nothing but sheer incompetence, enabled by the “amazing ability of putting things in perspective” of others.

I might be called a lunatic or a perfectionist or both. But if there is something I cannot stand it is incompetence. Many things have been done bad with the development of this game. I’ve spoken up on many of these points before. And mistakes are human. It didn’t upset me more than that. I understood. But failing repeatedly at the same thing even though one was pointed out where and how to improve, that’s what is unbearable to me. And someone who doesn’t learn and change, is someone that most likely will keep doing the shit he’s being doing. It’s sad but it is like that.

Unfortunately I don’t take fatality as a reason to give up on change.

(Amerika) #36

[quote=“Lumi;104760”]@Amerika

I totally disagree with you. Good for you if those minor things don’t bother you. In fact, taken individually they don’t bother me either, yet the pile is getting so big I can barely see the game. When I won’t be able to I’ll get tired of looking at the pile of problems alone and I’ll move on.

You’re a moderator, so you’re trying to moderate the situation and make it sound less bad than it actually is. Yet you acknowledge the persistence of these issues and there are people with less patience in the world. To me, gaming is a frustration venting place, not a place where I find more frustration. This is why all of the issues bother me so much.

And I’m not going to stop complaining because I need to put things into perspective. That’s how incompetence prevails. By not relentlessly shaming it and asking for better. I hate it, and unfortunately see it a lot: people who go through life with nothing but sheer incompetence, enabled by the “amazing ability of putting things in perspective” of others.

I might be called a lunatic or a perfectionist or both. But if there is something I cannot stand it is incompetence. Many things have been done bad with the development of this game. I’ve spoken up on many of these points before. And mistakes are human. It didn’t upset me more than that. I understood. But failing repeatedly at the same thing even though one was pointed out where and how to improve, that’s what is unbearable to me. And someone who doesn’t learn and change, is someone that most likely will keep doing the shit he’s being doing. It’s sad but it is like that.

Unfortunately I don’t take fatality as a reason to give up on change. [/quote]

@Lumi Please do not try and add weight to your argument and lessen my own opinion because I happen to be a moderator. Read my signature. My thoughts are my own entirely. I was not asked nor will I ever be a PR person and if I was ever asked to be I wouldn’t be a mod. Never mistake that again please.

Nobody told you to stop complaining or give-up so I am not sure why you even mentioned that. And since when does putting things into perspective breed incompetence? That’s a load of total horse manure. I honestly don’t even know what to say in response to that. The fact that you believe you have to relentlessly shame human beings to get something you want sickens me. And then justifying under the guise of being a perfectionist too. Again, I don’t even really know what to say in response.

Before we go too far off-topic lets take things to a PM.

(Snakus) #37

I’m playing with low ping myself, at least most times, but I often see people with anywhere between 300-900 ping on the same server. Also I’m getting random 1-2 second disconnects every other round, something that doesn’t really happen in other games for me.

I’ve heard people complain about it so I kind of made the assumption that it’s not my end, which obviously isn’t 100% accurate.

(Lumi) #38

@Amerika

Is there a way to totally block messages from someone? I could really do with not reading your idiocracies…

You are a moderator of the Nexon DB forums. It’s weird I have to remind you that…

(Tayski) #39

[quote=“Lumi;104679”]That’s exactly my point. You see MissMurder on the forums some times but Shoe has been absent for ages. I know that he can still be reading stuff, but honestly the impression I get is that very little gets through to the devs.

I posted a bug a few weeks back and Noxie told me she would investigate if it is a bug or actual game design. Still no reply on that. Overall, bugs and issues seem to be ignored or swept under the rug (secondary missions issues), while the community’s wishes are only half understood and the changes that nobody requested are plentiful. Just doesn’t strike as a team that has it’s communication figured out.[/quote]

I’ve seen huge companies be extremely slow at responding to players’ requests, in particular companies like EA.
Even Blizzard doesn’t just fix everything everyone is asking in a matter of days and their budget and staff is on a whole different level.

Have a browse around those different sections of the dirty bomb forums and check how many dozens of requests from players there are. You can’t expect them to fix and implement everything that is asked for all while also finishing the development of the final game. I’ve only been playing this game for about 4 weeks and I’ve already seen some major bug fixes, some adjustments to the mercs, a new gametype, new maps, a new merc, and so on.
I don’t think they’re doing that bad actually.

(Tayski) #40

joining minimum level 10 servers does help with not playing with complete noobs and play vs. decent players.