Yes! Keep it up #teamStoker

(Maverix) #81

[quote=“terminal;176255”]"[urgent]"

You know, I actually prefer Proxy over Stoker. She has the potential to make a team comeback in a competitive environment due to her being an objective specialist and as fast as an aura. Plus, her proximity mine has a reasonable cooldown unlike Stoker’s 40 second cooldown.
Let’s compare.

Stoker

  • access to Stark and M4
  • Medium speed
    • Less mobile than Proxy
  • Incendiary grenades with a long cooldown with the only use to cover chokes / objectives
  • still flank routes that the enemy can take
  • Ammo station

Proxy

  • access to Hochfir
  • Fast
    • Clutch plays
    • Mobile, which is what a competitive environment needs.
    • Potential to outstrafe enemies
  • Objective Specialist
    • Adding onto clutch plays
  • Low cooldown proximity mines that deal the same damage as a frag grenade
    • potential for frisbee kills

[/quote]

Lets compare further:

Stoker
-Molotovs area of denial on objective, allowing team mates time to get back into action.
-Molotovs damage EV’s
-Molotovs damage and can kill players riding the EV
-Molotovs damage generators
-Molotovs damage ramps
-Molotovs kill Rhino
-M4 shares almost the same recoil as the hochfir

Proxy
-Mine area of denial only works against newbs.
-Mines can be easily avoided by any decent player
-Mine is not effective against EV
-Mines can’t kill players on the EV
-Mines is not effective against damaging ramps
-1 mine isn’t enough to kill a Rhino
-Hochfir has the lowest DPS out of all the primary weapons in the entire game.
-Hochfir does less damage than more than half the pistols in the game.

(Kakutov) #82

Another anyone-but-proxy-thread. :flushed:
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28658/yes-keep-it-up-teamstoker#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28627/one-thing-really-wrong-with-the-event#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28613/cmon-guys-please/p1
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28621/im-begging-you-splash-damage-please-let-us-obsidian-vengeance-buyers-get-what-we-want/p1
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28571/lets-get-stoker-the-badass-new-cards-he-deserves-slot-stoker-play-to-support-stoker-for-culprit#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28610/x#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28507/team-stoker/p1
You guys make this forum one big trashcan.

(PastrySama) #83

[quote=“Maverix_GT;176271”][quote=“terminal;176255”]"[urgent]"

You know, I actually prefer Proxy over Stoker. She has the potential to make a team comeback in a competitive environment due to her being an objective specialist and as fast as an aura. Plus, her proximity mine has a reasonable cooldown unlike Stoker’s 40 second cooldown.
Let’s compare.

Stoker

  • access to Stark and M4
  • Medium speed
    • Less mobile than Proxy
  • Incendiary grenades with a long cooldown with the only use to cover chokes / objectives
  • still flank routes that the enemy can take
  • Ammo station

Proxy

  • access to Hochfir
  • Fast
    • Clutch plays
    • Mobile, which is what a competitive environment needs.
    • Potential to outstrafe enemies
  • Objective Specialist
    • Adding onto clutch plays
  • Low cooldown proximity mines that deal the same damage as a frag grenade
    • potential for frisbee kills

[/quote]

Lets compare further:

Stoker
-Molotovs area of denial on objective, allowing team mates time to get back into action.
-Molotovs damage EV’s
-Molotovs damage and can kill players riding the EV
-Molotovs damage generators
-Molotovs damage ramps
-Molotovs kill Rhino
-M4 shares almost the same recoil as the hochfir

Proxy
-Mine area of denial only works against newbs.
-Mines can be easily avoided by any decent player
-Mine is not effective against EV
-Mines can’t kill players on the EV
-Mines is not effective against damaging ramps
-1 mine isn’t enough to kill a Rhino
-Hochfir has the lowest DPS out of all the primary weapons in the entire game.
-Hochfir does less damage than more than half the pistols in the game.[/quote]

Let’s Fix and expand the comparison:

Proxy
-Mines are slighty less effective against EVs
-Mines damage generators
-Mines damage ramps
-Hochfirs melts with headshots

Don’t forget that mollies don’t work half the time.

(Ardez1) #84

[quote=“Kakutov;176275”]Another anyone-but-proxy-thread. :flushed:
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28658/yes-keep-it-up-teamstoker#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28627/one-thing-really-wrong-with-the-event#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28613/cmon-guys-please/p1
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28621/im-begging-you-splash-damage-please-let-us-obsidian-vengeance-buyers-get-what-we-want/p1
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28571/lets-get-stoker-the-badass-new-cards-he-deserves-slot-stoker-play-to-support-stoker-for-culprit#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28610/x#latest
http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28507/team-stoker/p1
You guys make this forum one big trashcan.[/quote]

Fair point. We should probably clean that up. :confused:

(Xyfurion) #85

Proxy is winning the ReV event. This needs to be stopped. We must cooperate and put Stoker into our squads. Although teamwork is hard on us and we don’t know how to work together, we must learn before Tuesday.

Proxy is useful only in Pubs. It would be a shame to see her win. Furthermore, she already has TWO Obsidian cards, whereas Stoker doesn’t even have one. We can make this happen, players. Let’s work together and make Stoker win!

(Yoma) #86

Funny how the people keep relying on the fact that proxy already has 2 obsidians because new(er) player wont have these so for them it would be their first proxy obsidian. Not to mention that many people dont play stoker and dont like him in the first place for their reasons no matter if hes played in ranked or whatever, who gives a damm about that anyways.

To me i couldnt care less who win because the only one i play more frequently would be Fletcher but he pretty much crawls at the last place by a great margin so ya, do you see me crying about it? No you dont.

[quote=“PastrySama;176276”][quote=“Maverix_GT;176271”][quote=“terminal;176255”]"[urgent]"

You know, I actually prefer Proxy over Stoker. She has the potential to make a team comeback in a competitive environment due to her being an objective specialist and as fast as an aura. Plus, her proximity mine has a reasonable cooldown unlike Stoker’s 40 second cooldown.
Let’s compare.

Stoker

  • access to Stark and M4
  • Medium speed
    • Less mobile than Proxy
  • Incendiary grenades with a long cooldown with the only use to cover chokes / objectives
  • still flank routes that the enemy can take
  • Ammo station

Proxy

  • access to Hochfir
  • Fast
    • Clutch plays
    • Mobile, which is what a competitive environment needs.
    • Potential to outstrafe enemies
  • Objective Specialist
    • Adding onto clutch plays
  • Low cooldown proximity mines that deal the same damage as a frag grenade
    • potential for frisbee kills

[/quote]

Lets compare further:

Stoker
-Molotovs area of denial on objective, allowing team mates time to get back into action.
-Molotovs damage EV’s
-Molotovs damage and can kill players riding the EV
-Molotovs damage generators
-Molotovs damage ramps
-Molotovs kill Rhino
-M4 shares almost the same recoil as the hochfir

Proxy
-Mine area of denial only works against newbs.
-Mines can be easily avoided by any decent player
-Mine is not effective against EV
-Mines can’t kill players on the EV
-Mines is not effective against damaging ramps
-1 mine isn’t enough to kill a Rhino
-Hochfir has the lowest DPS out of all the primary weapons in the entire game.
-Hochfir does less damage than more than half the pistols in the game.[/quote]

Let’s Fix and expand the comparison:

Proxy
-Mines are slighty less effective against EVs
-Mines damage generators
-Mines damage ramps
-Hochfirs melts with headshots

Don’t forget that mollies don’t work half the time.[/quote]

Dont forget that any player that is on guard can outrun a Molotov even if the molotov hits him directly. (As Fragger/Thunder/Rhino you can even walk out of the fire or just simply jump through an already deployed fire)

Killing player which ride the ev is so hard with Primary because they move so much, so hard hitting head. (Buhu)

Molotov does damage objectives but the damage is close to not being noticeable and ev can just ride out of it within a few seconds. And i dunno the exactly numbers of this but i would say if you take the cd of a molotov and have a Proxy throwing mines for that time on ev that the mines deal more damage and arent bound to the circumstance that the ev has to stand still.

And ya, Molotov doesnt work in atleast 1/3 cases.

(Xyfurion) #87

@Yoma And that is due to a bug, unfortunately.

(Xyfurion) #88

While I agree he may not be for everyone, I just really want Stoker to win.

(Kakutov) #89

I am sure you do, but there are even more people who want Proxy to win. Let the best win!

(neverplayseriou) #90

@Kakutov wanna bet that half of those people don’t even understand the event because they’re lvl 1 and have skipped any pop up and just play proxy because she’s easy…

(Kakutov) #91

I agree on that, but you can’t say that Stoker is difficult to use.

(Occult) #92

in the end whom ever wins i know in my heart, rng will fucking screw me

(Szab95) #93

Actually generators can be damaged nicely with molotovs. On bridge you can kill the generator with like 2 molotovs and few bullets and it can be much easier than plant c4

(redruMfloW) #94

When i see it

I imagine Stocker filling his molotov like homer

Do you really want to support a bald alcoholic pyromaniac

<3 VOTE PROXY <3

(Elvisz) #95

[quote=“redruMfloW;176304”]
I imagine Stocker filling his molotov like homer

Do you really want to support a bald alcoholic pyromaniac [/quote]

thinking of this… my soul is a bald alcoholic pyromaniac. on the outside im just a tattooed longhaired alcoholic pyromaniac :smiley: and i love Homer:)

(Yoma) #96

It might be true in some sense but i really do wonder from where the fresh lvl 1 know that Proxy is an easy merc. :stuck_out_tongue:

(RyePanda) #97

It might be true in some sense but i really do wonder from where the fresh lvl 1 know that Proxy is an easy merc. :stuck_out_tongue: [/quote]

because they try one match and do well because the mines require very little thinking and shotguns require very little aim.

(Xenithos) #98

… That’s insulting. I’m a frequent Stoker user, and though I do enjoy me some proxy matches every now and then, I support #teamStoker for many solid understandable reasons. I’m also one of the nicest guys you’ve probably ever met, and I haven’t thrown any disagrees around, unlike you. Take the log out of your own eye before pointing out the sticks in other’s.

Also, don’t stereotype or generalize, it’s not nice on the disagree counts. I intentionally stay out of the forums lately because of the stoker/proxy showdown.

Also, I know I’m not your father or anything, but If I were, I’d tell you to watch your mouth. Calling everyone that wants Stoker to win, regardless of whether or not he should win, a foul word such as that is beyond what should be here on the forums.

(Cuck) #99

overwatch is overpriced for gameplay weaker than DB

its like youre usually snorting cocaine suddenly you change to Children cough syrup

(Cuck) #100

[quote=“iPanic;176218”]I checked out @Kakutov and his profile… 123 disagrees, does anyone like you ? Like… Anyone ?

Also, you lied to me… I read that Stoker was in the lead in the middle of the day… 4 hours later and the Mine Scrub is back in the lead.[/quote]

that is actually pretty cool since now we know stoker and proxy now not far from each other