What's the best SMG? (Community opinion)

(Grave_Knight) #21

Last time I checked, Blishlok damage put the rest to shame.

Incorrect. A poor weapon will never dominate.

[/quote]Blishlok has a DPS of 120. Hochfir has a DPS of 122. SMG-9 has a DPS of 124. Hochfir and SMG-9 do less damage per round but have higher RPM and larger magazine. They also both have less recoil allowing for easy multiple headshots.

Blishlok is the poor weapon you’re talking about.

And just to be clear. KEK-10 has a DPS of 128 and the Crotzni has a DPS of 130. Both of which have larger magazine and less recoil than the Blishlok. So they too can get multiple headshots easier than the Blish even though they don’t need to.

18 damage per shot at 6.67 shots per second is not better than 12 damage per shot at 10.83 shots per second (rounded to the nearest hundredths). Or 9 damage per shot at 13.53 shot per second for that matter.

(gg2ez) #22

Last time I checked, Blishlok damage put the rest to shame.

Incorrect. A poor weapon will never dominate.

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Did you read the part where I said beaten in DPS?

Just in case you don’t know what that means, I’ll elaborate. DPS means Damage Per Second, sure, each Blish bullet does more damage but other SMGs higher RoF makes their DPS higher.

Blish’s damage doesn’t put anything to shame.

(Kirel) #23

I don’t like guns that shoot too fast.

(gg2ez) #24

That’s fine by me.

(retief) #25

For some reason, I get a surprising number of kills with proxy + hochfir. That said, the SMG9/crotzni/kek are pretty much as good.

(Bojangles) #26

You forgot to add how handsome and beastly the Blishlok was.

(TndY) #27

[quote=“Grave Knight;99452”]Blishlok has a DPS of 120. Hochfir has a DPS of 122. SMG-9 has a DPS of 124. Hochfir and SMG-9 do less damage per round but have higher RPM and larger magazine. They also both have less recoil allowing for easy multiple headshots.

Blishlok is the poor weapon you’re talking about.

And just to be clear. KEK-10 has a DPS of 128 and the Crotzni has a DPS of 130. Both of which have larger magazine and less recoil than the Blishlok. So they too can get multiple headshots easier than the Blish even though they don’t need to.

18 damage per shot at 6.67 shots per second is not better than 12 damage per shot at 10.83 shots per second (rounded to the nearest hundredths). Or 9 damage per shot at 13.53 shot per second for that matter.[/quote]

I thought we were past stating the obvious, but okay.
We’re all aware of the stats (at least should be),
but good stats on paper don’t always translate in-game,
that’s the point of this conversation.

[quote=“gg2ez;98835”]
Did you read the part where I said beaten in DPS?

Just in case you don’t know what that means, I’ll elaborate. DPS means Damage Per Second, sure, each Blish bullet does more damage but other SMGs higher RoF makes their DPS higher.

Blish’s damage doesn’t put anything to shame.[/quote]

Stating the obvious about DPS and repeating stats brings nothing new to the topic.
Yes, damage per bullet, it shames the rest.

(gg2ez) #28

[quote=“TndY;99686”][quote=“Grave Knight;99452”]Blishlok has a DPS of 120. Hochfir has a DPS of 122. SMG-9 has a DPS of 124. Hochfir and SMG-9 do less damage per round but have higher RPM and larger magazine. They also both have less recoil allowing for easy multiple headshots.

Blishlok is the poor weapon you’re talking about.

And just to be clear. KEK-10 has a DPS of 128 and the Crotzni has a DPS of 130. Both of which have larger magazine and less recoil than the Blishlok. So they too can get multiple headshots easier than the Blish even though they don’t need to.

18 damage per shot at 6.67 shots per second is not better than 12 damage per shot at 10.83 shots per second (rounded to the nearest hundredths). Or 9 damage per shot at 13.53 shot per second for that matter.[/quote]

I thought we were past stating the obvious, but okay.
We’re all aware of the stats (at least should be),
but good stats on paper don’t always translate in-game,
that’s the point of this conversation.

[quote=“gg2ez;98835”]
Did you read the part where I said beaten in DPS?

Just in case you don’t know what that means, I’ll elaborate. DPS means Damage Per Second, sure, each Blish bullet does more damage but other SMGs higher RoF makes their DPS higher.

Blish’s damage doesn’t put anything to shame.[/quote]

Stating the obvious about DPS and repeating stats brings nothing new to the topic.
Yes, damage per bullet, it shames the rest.[/quote]

“Stating the obvious” doesn’t really seem to be getting through to you though, if it’s so obvious then why do keep insisting that the Blish outperforms every other gun, it doesn’t.

As I said before, you just can’t quote the Blish as superior equipment in this game. Playstyle and preference is the Blishes only defence and if you wanna try convince people to use the Blish, mentioning it’s performance isn’t going to help you.

In the end DPB<DPS, besides the Blish has like only 6 more DPB than our frontrunner.

(TndY) #29

[quote=“gg2ez;98835”]“Stating the obvious” doesn’t really seem to be getting through to you though, if it’s so obvious then why do keep insisting that the Blish outperforms every other gun, it doesn’t.

As I said before, you just can’t quote the Blish as superior equipment in this game. Playstyle and preference is the Blishes only defence and if you wanna try convince people to use the Blish, mentioning it’s performance isn’t going to help you.

In the end DPB<DPS, besides the Blish has like only 6 more DPB than our frontrunner.[/quote]

From my personal experience, the blishlok does outperform.
I’m talking actual in-game performance, not rof and dps data.
The shortcomings in data do not translate in game.
The blishlok simply dominates.
That’s as simple as I can state it.

“Stating the obvious” refers to relaying weapon stats. (whats new?)
It’s the only argument I see here. I’ll take in-game performance over performance on paper any day.

(gg2ez) #30

[quote=“TndY;100597”][quote=“gg2ez;98835”]“Stating the obvious” doesn’t really seem to be getting through to you though, if it’s so obvious then why do keep insisting that the Blish outperforms every other gun, it doesn’t.

As I said before, you just can’t quote the Blish as superior equipment in this game. Playstyle and preference is the Blishes only defence and if you wanna try convince people to use the Blish, mentioning it’s performance isn’t going to help you.

In the end DPB<DPS, besides the Blish has like only 6 more DPB than our frontrunner.[/quote]

From my personal experience, the blishlok does outperform.
I’m talking actual in-game performance, not rof and dps data.
The shortcomings in data do not translate in game.
The blishlok simply dominates.
That’s as simple as I can state it.

“Stating the obvious” refers to relaying weapon stats. (whats new?)
It’s the only argument I see here. I’ll take in-game performance over performance on paper any day.[/quote]

Eh, your opinion.

(TheOrangePhantome) #31

[quote=“TndY;100597”]

From my personal experience, the blishlok does outperform.
I’m talking actual in-game performance, not rof and dps data.
The shortcomings in data do not translate in game.
The blishlok simply dominates.
That’s as simple as I can state it.

“Stating the obvious” refers to relaying weapon stats. (whats new?)
It’s the only argument I see here. I’ll take in-game performance over performance on paper any day.[/quote]

I mean all the other SMG’s are just better than the blish in terms of RPM and DPS but still it’s your opinion. And i agree that the blish is better than any shotgun in my opinion cuz it’s automatic and i’d pick the blish over a shotgun if i was using aura.

(Osm0sis) #32

Statistically, I believe the Kek-10 is the best gun. But I prefer to use the Crotzni over it.

(Grave_Knight) #33

Crotzni has the higher DPS. Most people use the KEK-10 because it has more ammo per magazine (and thus more total ammo) and it’s DPS isn’t that far behind the Crotzni (Crot is 130, KEK is 128).

(Thai-San) #34

I voted for the KEK-10, but since I main Sawbonez I don’t have access to it. For him I love the SMG-9 but my CW card has a Crotzni, so I use that most of the time even thou it’s my least favorite SMG. But I’m trying to get used to the Bitchlock since I know how good it can be in the right hands. But the Hochfir is nice too :confused:

(avidCow) #35

I must revise my vote to KEK.

(GregHouseMD) #36

Crotzni. KEK just doesn’t feel right to me, somehow. Hochfir is the only other one I’d consider, and I only take that if Crotzni and KEK are not available.

(FalC_16) #37

I vote for Hochfir although Crotzni kicks a55 as well. I love both, however depending on the situation and range of combat both have advantages and disadvantages. That is why I love how SD balanced their guns. Hochfir is amazing for face to face situations, while Crotzni does great also in mid range combat. KEK is something in between =D

(Amerika) #38

Crotzni has the higher DPS. Most people use the KEK-10 because it has more ammo per magazine (and thus more total ammo) and it’s DPS isn’t that far behind the Crotzni (Crot is 130, KEK is 128).[/quote]

This is exactly why I prefer the Kek over the Crotzni. I love the Crotzni but that extra 5 bullets really matters in some situations. Honestly though, I like all of the SMG’s outside of the Blishlock…which I’ve never really given much of a chance.

(Samniss_Arandeen) #39

I’m torn between Hochfir on Proxy and TopKek on Bushie-Bush. I voted KEK-10 because I’ve been playing a lot of The Great Whacker of Bush lately. I got a C71 Vanguard Operative in Bronze from a case recently and I’m enjoying the KEK with the Turret.

(RyePanda) #40

Kek because it still performs well at Range and has a pretty good RoF and has quite a few bullets in its magazines. That said I’ll use anything besides the blishlock and do fine.

For me:

Kek-10>SMG-9>Hochfir>Crotzni>Blisklock