What is this NGS ???


(Amerika) #21

You were told in the other thread that the spec client is not representative of what’s going on due to sync issues because of a lack of anti-lag and also it simply not being super accurate. So bullets that don’t look like they are on target or even shot at the right time, from spec in DB, look way off.

You aren’t supposed to post videos of cheaters on this forum because we don’t encourage witch hunts and also it’s so easy to change names. Multiple people could go around with the name Pinny0101 and cheat and record videos of “you” cheating. You can claim it’s not you but at that point the damage is done. That’s why people are supposed to use the in-game reporting feature or the website if they suspect anybody of cheating. People who know what they are doing and have the tools to do their job that we don’t have will investigate.

There rules are there to protect legit players. Not cheaters. Publicly posting videos of cheaters and showing how riled it makes you only encourage a lot of types who cheat. You’re not only giving them exposure they crave but also allowing yourself to be “trolled” because you were mad enough to post a video.

Also, there are cheaters in every game. It’s an issue that hasn’t been solved for decades due to so many reasons I won’t even list them here (I have multiple times in the past though). The best any anti-cheat can do is keep up with them…which NGS has mostly done. Sure, you will still see some from time to time. A few might even be unlucky enough to run into a few of them in a short period. But just because you run into one doesn’t mean the game is horrible and is doing next to nothing to stop them. Understanding how AC’s work is a key to understanding and accepting that sometimes some jerk will cheat. Don’t let it ruin your day. Report them and move on somewhere else.


(MTLMortis) #22

They can’t clone a SteamID

I understand the whole name and shame policy, which is more to protect SD than it is the players. But there are “he may be cheating” spectator videos, and “blatantly obvious” that they’re cheating. The obvious cheaters should have absolutely ZERO protections afforded them.

Sure it’s all subjective (if someone is cheating), but only up to a point.


(pinny0101) #23

@Amerika hmm yeah, hadn’t thought of name change thing. Also, please don’t tell me that it’s some spec client lag thing, if you watch the video it’s not. You don’t have to watch it, but if you didn’t don’t tell me their not cheating.


(Amerika) #24

I just sent you a PM.


(Amerika) #25

They can’t clone a SteamID

I understand the whole name and shame policy, which is more to protect SD than it is the players. But there are “he may be cheating” spectator videos, and “blatantly obvious” that they’re cheating. The obvious cheaters should have absolutely ZERO protections afforded them.

Sure it’s all subjective (if someone is cheating), but only up to a point.

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I’m aware. How many videos that you see show a SteamID? And what do you hope to accomplish by exposing these nameless/careless cheaters? Also, you’re cool with giving those people who crave attention the attention they desire? Showing them that their trolling got to you? The name thing is simply one reason for not going all witch hunt on “cheaters” even if it’s blatant. Not to mention public videos of people cheating simply show people searching that cheating works in a game and it’s literally an advertisement for them as they don’t see it as a bad thing.

Not everyone thinks like you and I do when it comes to cheating. Also, a ton of people feel like they want to do something to help stop cheating when in fact they are perpetuating the cycle of cheating and being a huge help to cheaters. Yes, people need to bring up, discuss and talk about current events in regards to cheating to show the devs if something needs to be changed. But we don’t need witch hunts for all the reasons I’ve cited and more.


(MTLMortis) #26

All the ones I post

[quote=“Amerika;169669”]
And what do you hope to accomplish by exposing these nameless/careless cheaters[/quote]

They’re not getting any attention from it. It’s not like I post up the link in gamechat.

I do it because it is definitive proof of their cheating to get them banned. The in-game reports are a joke. I track the people I report and the only ones that get banned are the ones I submit from the website with video evidence. Consequently they’ve made it harder and harder to submit cheaters through the website, they may want to fix that.


(Amerika) #27

All the ones I post

Yes, I get that. I’ve recorded videos and submitted them myself. I’m talking about posting videos on a public forum constantly. You’re not outing them. They aren’t ashamed because they were caught. Do you honestly think many of them are? Most of the casual cheaters enjoy the attention since that’s why a lot of them cheat in the first place. And a lot of them also love that they got to somebody. It’s another reason why people cheat (there are many reasons and sometimes there is more than one). All a person is doing by outing these people on a public forum is making a person feel like they are doing something about the problem when in reality they are making the problem worse as you’re feeding it. Again, not everyone thinks like you and I do when it comes to cheating.

That’s why forums like this pretty much never allow linking to “omg this dude is cheating ban them” videos and those that do turn into giant cesspools of hate and venom pretty often (been there, done that). It has nothing to do with protecting cheaters and everything to do with protecting the community. Which sucks because a lot of people don’t realize that they are doing way more harm than good.

Keep recording and keep submitting. Despite your belief Support does ban people who are reported and proven to be cheating. I just don’t recommend that you make a public circus out of it since it feeds the problems instead of helps and it’s nothing more than a placebo to make you feel like you’re doing some good or putting a shining light on the problem.


(ClemClem7) #28

Is there nothing NGS can do with the help of steam to ban someone from a game with steam ID or IP adress of the reported account ?


(MTLMortis) #29

They do. It’s just takes a lot more time and effort than it does for the cheater to make a new account and continue the griefing. You can’t ban someone without overwhelming proof including backend stuff that we, as players, never see.


(Matuno) #30

Just caught another hacker, level 7.
Add insult to injury; runs around in perfect SE Phantom loadout.