What is the best DB montage that you have seen?

(_Sniff_) #21

I’ve got quite a few Fletcher Montages. imo 5,6, and 3 are the best.

(bontsa) #22

Those Inferno’s videos remind me again why I’m reeeeal happy that the instant get-up has been removed from revives.

E: Also what trick has he used to get those 3rd person footages? There is a way to take out Demospecrecord thingies or some other form of recording?

(blufflord) #23

but sniff, they are in you signature XD

(_Sniff_) #24

Yes but this way you don’t have to click off the site to see them!

(Herr_Hanz) #25

[quote=“Beryl;182317”]@CLS you should show them this:
https://vimeo.com/163116996

I enjoyed it, really good work.[/quote]

this makes me want to play fragger a lot :I

(sneak) #26

What do you define as “proper”?

My favorite movies are from a similar game but I’m guessing that’s not what this is for.

Here’s some videos I like from promyy:

There’s not really much quality videos being made. There are several videos but most of them have poor quality or single-frags. Because of this I have little interest in looking around often and also people don’t name their movies in any creative and memorable name so it’s hard to even keep the name of a movie in mind. Lastly, with DB’s lack of a demo system you have to create videos on low quality (if those are the settings you play at) instead of being able to play at whatever quality then turn it up (even custom texture packs) for videos to look amazing.

So because of that I don’t really know of many videos, so it’s a cool thread.

For ones I’ve made I like this one the most because I actually put a little time into it and screwed around with Vegas stuff just to try things out. The frags are of good quality too.

(Amerika) #27

Montage movies are pretty good entertainment when done right and synced with music and, even better, has a running theme through the video (and as Sneak mentioned has a good name). Kill videos that just have EDM or some other generic music running that are little more than kill clips strung together are boring to me. Even one of the worst players in DB could get a bunch of clips with multi-kills, slap them together, play some music and call it a montage. But truly great movies have clever editing with music and themes and they become a great form of entertainment.

Sadly demos aren’t really supported right now so you can’t really get super high quality video without sacrificing FPS while playing :frowning:

(Szakalot) #28

What do you define as “proper”?

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good question, for me a fragmovie (as opposed to just a video for funziez):

  • is edited only from competitive games
  • preferably against good/known clans, the more prestigious the opponents the better the fragmovie
  • includes feats of skill and insane shots&flicks, as opposed to simple backrapes (killing 5 people in a row who were not shooting back is not as impressive as taking them on face to face)
(Herr_Hanz) #29

What do you define as “proper”?

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good question, for me a fragmovie (as opposed to just a video for funziez):

  • is edited only from competitive games
  • preferably against good/known clans, the more prestigious the opponents the better the fragmovie
  • includes feats of skill and insane shots&flicks, as opposed to simple backrapes (killing 5 people in a row who were not shooting back is not as impressive as taking them on face to face)
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To me its a nice display of skill, 3+ kills per clip, pubs or comp doesnt matter. 5 people backrape is nice, but they shouldnt be afk.

clips should be too long, be a good fit to the music, and music has to have lyrics and changes in tempo

(FerfyDerf) #30

There’s something sickeningly sweet about these shotty ones. I think part of it is the movement skill level.

(SamillWong) #31

i just knew that he was going to be mentioned at some point[/quote]

I think Ragnak (Hexa-Flexa OP) has some decent shots, but not as montages.

(Jostabeere) #32

MOM GET THE CAMERA! I’M FAMOUS! SNIFF KILLED ME MOM!

(Herr_Hanz) #33

in my last montage, at 2:50, was it noticable that it was a triple collateral?

how much do you guys watch the killfeed during montages?

(CLS) #34

[quote=“Beryl;182317”]@CLS you should show them this:
https://vimeo.com/163116996

I enjoyed it, really good work.[/quote]

Thanks man, appreciate it!

What do you define as “proper”?

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good question, for me a fragmovie (as opposed to just a video for funziez):

  • is edited only from competitive games
  • preferably against good/known clans, the more prestigious the opponents the better the fragmovie
  • includes feats of skill and insane shots&flicks, as opposed to simple backrapes (killing 5 people in a row who were not shooting back is not as impressive as taking them on face to face)
    [/quote]

I believe we are all looking for different things, what I like and try to include in my own as much as possible:

  • Short sequences of multiple kills. I don’t like clips that last minutes which are stretched using fast forward. I would include clips that are 1 kill if they show great game sense, are aesthetically appealing in some way, against good players etc…
  • Synchronized with the music.
  • Against good players, or at least, that you can tell it was a fair fight. I hate frag movies where clips are just a stomp against low levels.
  • Editing: Nothing crazy, but I like seeing that some intention has been put into it.

Obviously, competitive footage is the best. As someone with no team, I try to compensate by exclusively playing on Min10s & 20s. It doesn’t make up for it, but at least, it’s against good players (most of the time :))

(Polotow) #35

rather rushed one. (not the best) but ohh well

(sneak) #36

I like to use EDM type stuff in my movies generally due to the lack of vocals or lesser amount of them compared to other genres I usually listen to. It seems to flow better with a movie for some reason too. Plus, alot of these “nerd” type gamers don’t really like what I listen to anyway so they may be turned off from the video. It’s risky to go outside of EDM due to this reason.

I’ve been bummed about this since I started.

What do you define as “proper”?

[/quote]

good question, for me a fragmovie (as opposed to just a video for funziez):

  • is edited only from competitive games
  • preferably against good/known clans, the more prestigious the opponents the better the fragmovie
  • includes feats of skill and insane shots&flicks, as opposed to simple backrapes (killing 5 people in a row who were not shooting back is not as impressive as taking them on face to face)
    [/quote]

Well this was a standard tradition of what made a movie proper in ET. However, in that game competition was much easier to find. In this game we have the flawed Ranked mode and occasional cup. In some people’s eyes it may not be that bad but the fact is that people barely play it even after several attempts from SD to try to encourage people to do so. It’s so hard to find a game and when you do it’s plagued by people who cheat for weeks and never get banned. The other possibilities are: you sit in their spawn camping them or they sit in your spawn camping you. I have no issue with spawncamping, but my issue is with the balance (or lack thereof) in ranked. Then you have the leavers who also plague the mode and people who go AFK are the same thing in my eyes. This isn’t the type of game where if you’re amazing you can carry. I’m sure alot of people have been there. I’ve been there and alot of people I know have been there. People can go 80/10 and lose because this game requires the right classes and tactics and more than 1 of the 5 players being skilled. Communication goes a long way too, ofcourse.

Due to all of these reasons, I don’t see an issue with frags being from pubs. This game also isn’t really a “hard-core competitive shooter” and most of the players don’t even play competitive. So by the average standard of skill level, if you can utterly destroy pubbers I think it counts as being a good player. I think people put a bit too much emphasis on competitive, as if players in pubs can’t be skilled just because it’s not competitive mode. They can, it’s just that the bar is set lower on average. My “Overly Long Fragmovie” was a mixture of pubs and competition, if that wasn’t clear (or if you bothered to watch it since it was so damn long :P).

I think alot of the whole purpose of a frag movie is to do some editing and enjoy it then present something well-edited to the players. I would be okay with a movie with “not great” frags if it was very well edited and had great music and syncing. I would still recognize the obvious that the player was just shooting lows who don’t react while you backrape them, but that wouldn’t change my view on how well the video was made.

But overall, I agree that in a PERFECT scenario all frags would be from competition for “real movies” and be against people who are worth playing against (not just random pubbers who are horrible and queue ranked once a week). I just don’t think this is a reasonable expectation of players right now.

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;182427”]

To me its a nice display of skill, 3+ kills per clip[/quote]

Seems a bit low of a standard to me :/.

But… shotguns? Those aren’t really what come to mind when someone thinks of “skill”. They are some of the least “skill-based” elements of Dirty Bomb.

Also, screw it. I’m going to show you an example of some videos I feel are well-edited and titled with decent music and frags. I think @Amerika may have seen some of these or some similar things. These are the types of things I envision for a DB frag video.

You should be able to catch some known Dirty Bomb players in the videos (kill feed and viewport). There are some in these videos who play DB but use another name, too.

For ages these have been my 2 very favorite videos:


It could also be partially due to nostalgia, from playing with the players in the viewport and the killfeed as well as on the servers.

One that I found “more recently” (because we’re talking 12 years of playing this game) that I really like alot:

I know it isn’t a “Frag video” but my point here is the editing, catchy title and the quality as well as quality of footage (those jumps aren’t easy at all, no matter what it appears to be).

And here are a few more that are memorable examples:





Keep in mind that some of these are very old videos I’ve had on my drive a while, so the quality in some of them may not be “up to standards” of our current year and the music may be “played out” as well.

(Amerika) #37

@sneak I have nothing against EDM or EDM in montage videos. I listen to EDM and similar music. It’s just that a lot of videos don’t sync up to the music and they put EDM in the vids as it’s the most palatable to a huge audience. People who dislike EDM usually don’t hate it to their core and rant about it in the comments section of YT. It’s just not something they listen to normally. It’s basically the elevator music of montages which makes it a pretty safe choice.

I’m mostly interested in good editing with syncs to music and even better is to have a theme or do something other than simply show people dying in 3-10 second clips strung together with little coherence. Which is the majority of montage videos and that’s why a lot of them simply blur together. The truly great ones have solid editing along with great kill/play clips and sometimes funny or unusual events and an overall theme that brings it all together. Those take a lot more time though so they are much less common.

(FerfyDerf) #38

But… shotguns? Those aren’t really what come to mind when someone thinks of “skill”. They are some of the least “skill-based” elements of Dirty Bomb.[/quote]

I concur, but it was still a satisfying video to watch with fluent movement. (For me at least.)

(Amerika) #39

A shotgun montage, at least right now, would be incredibly more interesting. I still remember Sagan’s because there aren’t many out there (or at least that I’ve seen). Shotguns are extremely annoying CQC weapons but are pretty limited outside of CQC. So many players who get more skilled in the game migrate over to weapons with more range simply because they are more useful in a lot of situations where the shotgun is weak when playing against solid competition.

So it’s pretty rare to see a video of somebody using a shotgun and doing it well. Sagan’s video didn’t really contain any “oh crap that happened” moments but it was pretty hilarious to watch a guy with solid aim tear some people up in CQC with one. It didn’t have interesting editing or title but it at least had a theme which makes me remember it.

A “Fat Scout” Rhino montage that contained some fairly good plays would be kind of awesome.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #40

@“Sagan on Roids” most recent upload. Much shotgun goodness :smile: