snipers ruin pub play

(Cuck) #21

[quote=“TheRyderShotgun;182054”][quote=“SaulWolfden;182039”]I think you need this.

https://myinstants.com/instant/how-could-this-happen-to-me/[/quote]

warning: DO NOT SPAM THAT BUTTON IF YOU’RE ON HEADPHONES jeez that hurt
(loading was a little slow and i spammed it a little wondering why there wasnt any sound)

but really a good sniper on offense or defense can do some work. on offense, you can pick off some valuable targets like medics or fire supports if youre pushing an EV, or nip off people on mounted MGs. on defense…well, im pretty sure you know what snipers on defense can do, pretty much everything an offense can do in addition to not really needing to move around much since the enemy comes to them.[/quote]

except shooting engineer that fixing the ev

(Cuck) #22

[quote=“ItzNotAlex;182102”]Speaking of snipers. Two days ago i played attacking side on chapel on last objective (8v8 objective). My team kinda got stuck on that point for a while. Until a guy on the opposing team suggested we should use more snipers on our side to push and guess what? From only having 2 snipers at the start ( and the enemy team had 3) we got up to 4 snipers (they still had 3) and we actually won the game ^^.

Ofc most of my team thanked this certain person for the wonderfull tip of having more snipers on the attacking team.

Oh boy, vassili is really a game changing merc. :)[/quote]

since when do snipers even…
oh i dont wanna know

(Herr_Hanz) #23

[quote=“buffMonorail;182115”][quote=“ItzNotAlex;182102”]Speaking of snipers. Two days ago i played attacking side on chapel on last objective (8v8 objective). My team kinda got stuck on that point for a while. Until a guy on the opposing team suggested we should use more snipers on our side to push and guess what? From only having 2 snipers at the start ( and the enemy team had 3) we got up to 4 snipers (they still had 3) and we actually won the game ^^.

Ofc most of my team thanked this certain person for the wonderfull tip of having more snipers on the attacking team.

Oh boy, vassili is really a game changing merc. :)[/quote]

since when do snipers even…
oh i dont wanna know[/quote]

#Salty :3

(KattiValk) #24

Scrubs probably shouldn’t be allowed or advised (on or the other) to instantly go for sniper.

@Herr_Hanz is not wrong to say snipers are useful for Attackers. A good sniper pins down sight lines and forces the Defenders to often stay in certain areas. This may not be very useful on Bridge (which is why I rarely ever support Vaseline play on Bridge), but on the last Objective on Chapel, it can be a great way to set up some multi-kills via fire support.

(LifeupOmega) #25

[quote=“buffMonorail;182005”]but, would you like to have a very cool sniper teammate?
i mean, where else those noob people gonna train their sniping?[/quote]

Want to know how to get good at sniping?

You don’t play sniper. You learn how to aim in DB, you learn the maps, how they play, and how to be a reliable teammate before you even think of touching a sniper.

Funnily enough most 0/24 Vas players skip all that and it shows because they have zero knowledge of how the map plays and instead opt to sit at the back of a map shooting once in a blue moon.

Can’t wait for the token level 5 dipshit to take a slot I could use better.

(MarsRover) #26

And sometimes you loose defending on Chapel on 8v8 to attackers with 4 Vassilis just because you are the only fire support and the rest of your team is playing TDM in side alleys :smiley:

You can’t do much about it. The only thing I want is to raise his price to 50k so he becomes less attractive to new lvl4 players that just got their credit bonus.

(Icecoal) #27

Vassili is in my opinion really hard to play so everyone has to start somewhere. It’s just pubs , cut folks some slack who are practicing their favorite merc. I know it can be frustrating having dead weight but we all gotta deal with it

(SaulWolfden) #28

[quote=“asparagusMist;182111”]just make it one slot per team for snipers.done.snipers most often encourage KD ratio play mentality in a objective based game.

id say most games results as many know here in 3 snipers per team mostly bad snipers sitting in the previous spawn not pushing up while the guys actually trying to progress are getting killed over and over because your 3 men down to a full team defending.

they end up with positive KD you lose the game and end up for the priveledge of trying to complete the objective of the game with NEGATIVE kd for all your efforts.

one sniper per team.make it so. or reward less for sniping kd and make it worth pushing for objectives.give points for actually moving forward.you could even make camping timers that cause damage to snipers who actually do nothing for the objective so they move.or at aleast help.[/quote]

And what if that one sniper happens to be the bad sniper? Aimee and Vassili are the only true snipers in the game anyway. Red Eye isn’t a sniper, he’s a marksman.

(Eox) #29

It’s the same issue in almost every shooter anyway. Bad snipers are laughable and a waste of a player slot while good snipers are incredibly unfun to play against. There very rarely a middle ground. This is a flaw common to all kind of “high skill floor/ceiling, high reward” kind of gameplay. I don’t think this is something we can fix.

The only game I know where Snipers haven’t that kind of issue is Xonotic (an open source Quake-like), because the game doesn’t take headshots into account : it’s just too fast for that. This doesn’t prevent the game’s sniper rifle from being played at all though. It’s actually an extremely powerful duelling weapon.

(Herr_Hanz) #30

[quote=“Incoming;182133”]Scrubs probably shouldn’t be allowed or advised (on or the other) to instantly go for sniper.

@Herr_Hanz is not wrong to say snipers are useful for Attackers. A good sniper pins down sight lines and forces the Defenders to often stay in certain areas. This may not be very useful on Bridge (which is why I rarely ever support Vaseline play on Bridge), but on the last Objective on Chapel, it can be a great way to set up some multi-kills via fire support.[/quote]

Yop. people hate camping. i like to call it Agressive Area Denial. lock down a side of the map, forcing the attackers/defenders to take a different route. spawntrapping is a big part of that, even on bridge. you can do a lot of damage when keeping an eye on the defender spawn on bridge, either when defending the generator C4, or sniping down the alley to the left of the last objective, looking into the defender spawn.

Your job as a sniper is to kill the enemy reinforcements as they are moving from their soawn to the OBJ, or while they are standing in defense position around the OBJ. in both ways that means that there are less people on the obj, making it easier for your team to take it.

saying that, it does mean that you need extensive spawn/map knowledge to do that agressive role.

(Cuck) #31

[quote=“LifeupOmega;182134”][quote=“buffMonorail;182005”]but, would you like to have a very cool sniper teammate?
i mean, where else those noob people gonna train their sniping?[/quote]

Want to know how to get good at sniping?

You don’t play sniper. You learn how to aim in DB, you learn the maps, how they play, and how to be a reliable teammate before you even think of touching a sniper.

Funnily enough most 0/24 Vas players skip all that and it shows because they have zero knowledge of how the map plays and instead opt to sit at the back of a map shooting once in a blue moon.

Can’t wait for the token level 5 dipshit to take a slot I could use better.[/quote]

well for myself i touch my first sniper (aimee) when i get to level 29
cant shoot anything less than 50 m in front of me.

(Herr_Hanz) #32

[quote=“buffMonorail;182177”][quote=“LifeupOmega;182134”][quote=“buffMonorail;182005”]but, would you like to have a very cool sniper teammate?
i mean, where else those noob people gonna train their sniping?[/quote]

Want to know how to get good at sniping?

You don’t play sniper. You learn how to aim in DB, you learn the maps, how they play, and how to be a reliable teammate before you even think of touching a sniper.

Funnily enough most 0/24 Vas players skip all that and it shows because they have zero knowledge of how the map plays and instead opt to sit at the back of a map shooting once in a blue moon.

Can’t wait for the token level 5 dipshit to take a slot I could use better.[/quote]

well for myself i touch my first sniper (aimee) when i get to level 29
cant shoot anything less than 50 m in front of me.[/quote]

Sniping isnt just map/game knowledge. its also experience with the weapon. beginning players have neither. @buffMonorail has Game experience but not weapon experience. Main sniper for a week and you will see your sniping improving immensly.

(just using you as an example, no offense intended)

(SaulWolfden) #33

[quote=“buffMonorail;182177”][quote=“LifeupOmega;182134”][quote=“buffMonorail;182005”]but, would you like to have a very cool sniper teammate?
i mean, where else those noob people gonna train their sniping?[/quote]

Want to know how to get good at sniping?

You don’t play sniper. You learn how to aim in DB, you learn the maps, how they play, and how to be a reliable teammate before you even think of touching a sniper.

Funnily enough most 0/24 Vas players skip all that and it shows because they have zero knowledge of how the map plays and instead opt to sit at the back of a map shooting once in a blue moon.

Can’t wait for the token level 5 dipshit to take a slot I could use better.[/quote]

well for myself i touch my first sniper (aimee) when i get to level 29
cant shoot anything less than 50 m in front of me.[/quote]

I suggest starting with the GSR to start to get used to the basic idea of sniping, it’s closer to the other guns than the scoped snipers.

(asparagusMist) #34

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;182181”][quote=“buffMonorail;182177”][quote=“LifeupOmega;182134”][quote=“buffMonorail;182005”]but, would you like to have a very cool sniper teammate?
i mean, where else those noob people gonna train their sniping?[/quote]

Want to know how to get good at sniping?

You don’t play sniper. You learn how to aim in DB, you learn the maps, how they play, and how to be a reliable teammate before you even think of touching a sniper.

Funnily enough most 0/24 Vas players skip all that and it shows because they have zero knowledge of how the map plays and instead opt to sit at the back of a map shooting once in a blue moon.

Can’t wait for the token level 5 dipshit to take a slot I could use better.[/quote]

well for myself i touch my first sniper (aimee) when i get to level 29
cant shoot anything less than 50 m in front of me.[/quote]

Sniping isnt just map/game knowledge. its also experience with the weapon. beginning players have neither. @asparagusMist has Game experience but not weapon experience. Main sniper for a week and you will see your sniping improving immensly.

(just using you as an example, no offense intended)[/quote]

dont have sniper experience played in comp fps for last ten years with esuba,dignitas every league level.snipers in general is easy street for noobs who dont help get the objective done. anyone can shoot a sniper in this game its basically 1/2 hits little recoil. dead. thats why they do it.

its that easy so many do it.thats why you got 3 sniper in every team. YOLO 360 HEADSHOOT BRUV.

its the main reason i dont play with it because its so easy.

(Sir Rexman) #35

Hmm maybe the new Assault course could help? if there was one designed specifically for sniper classes? Would help get the Lower players to practice, without being crap and learning in lobbys?

(blonk) #36

[quote=“Eox;182169”]It’s the same issue in almost every shooter anyway. Bad snipers are laughable and a waste of a player slot while good snipers are incredibly unfun to play against. There very rarely a middle ground. This is a flaw common to all kind of “high skill floor/ceiling, high reward” kind of gameplay. I don’t think this is something we can fix.

The only game I know where Snipers haven’t that kind of issue is Xonotic (an open source Quake-like), because the game doesn’t take headshots into account : it’s just too fast for that. This doesn’t prevent the game’s sniper rifle from being played at all though. It’s actually an extremely powerful duelling weapon.[/quote]

If the sniper rifles were more like railguns (like a really powerful Dreiss with no headshot bonus) I’d play the hell out of that, though it’d be tricky to balance well. The BR, Dreiss and Grandeur give me that nice rail-y feeling though, enough to scratch that itch

I don’t think they ruin pub play but I think sometimes people funnel into him too readily, especially people who haven’t really got the knack of the game yet. Maps like Chapel don’t help, I mean how many times have you went from one game with a team having reasonable merc selections to suddenly being on a team thats 90% snipers, just because it changed to Chapel?

edit: STOP ADDING SMILEYS FFS:smile:

(Herr_Hanz) #37

@asparagusMist sorry i wanted to tag someone else instead of you.

mechanics for sniping are different in each game. you have to get used to them.

(ImSploosh) #38

A few weeks back I had these 2 guys in a lobby tell me that sniping in this game is easy and that I suck. This was after I had just top-scored as Vassili on Underground along with another Vass on my team (we won as defenders).

Needless to say, I wrecked the scrubs in the next few games and they never said anything else after that argument.

Soooo how about, “A good Vassili can shut people up” and “A bad Vassili makes them talk more shit” :smiley:

(Armuh) #39

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;182104”]

what about bad snipers on defense? those guys make your job as attacker easier. or good snipers on attack? say bye bye to your MG killstreak, MGs are a vassilis easiest target.

1v1 me bro, im the king of first bloods.

#Vassili/AimeeFTW[/quote]

I already did.

(MethodOwn) #40

My last three maps as Attackers were on 8v8 servers and literally half the team is trying to snipe.

Putting a sniper in the free rotation is Nexon/SD’s way of saying “go play something else this week because you’re going to hate Dirty Bomb”.