Should I buy Phantom, the dissuadening

(ChaoticElf) #21

As Izzy mentioned, if you’re patient enough you can always wait for the free rotation to try him out. For the longest time I personally thought he would be a waste of credits because I found him tacky, until I finally bought him near the end of the containment war event. Since then, I haven’t had as much fun with any other merc (maybe because he was new for me).

Certain scenarios have just stuck out with me that made the purchase worth it: Cloaking and sitting on C4, MGs, corners, etc just to have people either walk past you or try to defuse without killing you, katana fights with other phantoms, cloaking and meatshielding an engy… little stuff like that. It all kind of comes down to your style of play. I’ve found the more aggressive you are with him, the more fun he is. There are other mercs that do better in most scenarios, and you’ll have those games where the other team seems to have 3 heartbeat sensors and a redeye, so it’s not all fun and games all the time, but I still have a blast with him.

If you do get him and end up playing consistently well, don’t be surprised to get alot of rage comments from the people you kill.

(Ctrix) #22

I was about to buy Arty and then you posted. Goddamn.

(Drcipres) #23

You dont own fletcher ? Then… WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

(N8o) #24

Buy Fletcher and then I will teach you how to play him :smiley:

(Jostabeere) #25

Phantom is bad, overnerfed and pretty much useless.
But a hell of a fun to play.

(Feley) #26

If you want meleeing people, buy red-eye and get that melee loadout (chopper/quick slash, and try hard for when you fail :wink: )

Kidding of course, but really I would take Red-Eye for meleeing over Phantom.

I would buy objective specialist in your case… Depends on play style… Anyways my vote goes on Bushwacker or Fletcher.

(moonlitAbility) #27

phantom can be fun for a match or two… and you can do decent on the kills… he just feels soooooo… .meh… the ‘stealth’ can be fun… like hiding at turrets and stuff then popping on and blasting when they dont expect it… but it only kind of works, isn’t that interactive/high skillcap…

which means hes just a guy with a smg, and sometimes a sword. which, despite the small amounts of fun/effectiveness, ultimately (to me and others), make him less fun / helpful to your team than taking say a nader, bushwacker, sawbones/phoenix/etc.

plus he makes your opponents enjoy playing less. id go redeye, stoker, bushwacker, fletcher form that group before phantom

(Amerika) #28

Phantom requires the most thought process to be good with in my opinion. You have to factor in quite a few things like using your refractive armor to damage soak so you can get into a spot to flank as opposed to just using it to not be seen. You need to know how close you are to people so you don’t go running near them where they can easily hear your armor if you have it up. You also have to know when to not have it up so that people don’t hear you at all. You then also have to know when to remain completely still so that unless you’re being directly looked at you won’t be seen. You also need to know not to attack the lead person on a respawn wave as soon as you see them. You wait and shoot somebody near the end in the back to prevent getting surrounded. Or make the choice to go after a higher value target (some Sparks that is doing a hell of a job reviving). You then have to allow yourself an escape route and know when to bail quickly if things go bad and how to evade getting hit until your armor is back up. You also sometimes have to learn how to be crafty and sit in darker corners on maps (helps with ambush and evasion). And you must learn to not chase people across the map trying to get a Katana kill.

If all of that sounds like fun and you don’t mind him not having any other form or utility that would help in higher tier competition then Phantom is for you. It is weird that the most “braindead” merc in the game is also the one that requires the most thought, IMO, to get solid use out of.

And this is mostly for pubs only. In a 5v5 league match against veterans he offers up very little of note.

I also think Arty is in a really good spot right now on maps that allow him to use his artillery and not awful even on maps that don’t allow it. I know it’s fun to make fun of how bad Arty is but that hasn’t really been true for a while now.

(Black) #29

Phantom’s job is killing whatever you want him to. Same with any other merc, except most of them do a better job than him and come with extra goodies.

Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11h0wXm-3QC_4Mzfqr0Hlp6SrdpBlnJ12H_I4dPIKwuQ/edit?usp=docslist_api[/quote]

That spreadsheet is not true. Phantom should also be considered a recon merc even though he doesn’t have an ability to spot enemies. His refractive armor allows him to go behind enemy lines and give the enemies positions which I do almost all the time.

See the real problem here is that alot of people see Phantom as underpowered simply because they don’t know how to use him efficiently. I’m not saying you don’t know how to play him, you are just not utilizing all of his power.

@Amerika at the bottom explains it very well.

In short, phantom has a higher skill tier like vassili. It’s difficult to use him, but if you master him they can be very deadly.

I really have been thinking doing a little guide on Phantom because there are so many things he can do to just straight up poop on an enemy team.

(gg2ez) #30

Phantom’s job is killing whatever you want him to. Same with any other merc, except most of them do a better job than him and come with extra goodies.

Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11h0wXm-3QC_4Mzfqr0Hlp6SrdpBlnJ12H_I4dPIKwuQ/edit?usp=docslist_api[/quote]

That spreadsheet is not true. Phantom should also be considered a recon merc even though he doesn’t have an ability to spot enemies. His refractive armor allows him to go behind enemy lines and give the enemies positions which I do almost all the time.

See the real problem here is that alot of people see Phantom as underpowered simply because they don’t know how to use him efficiently. I’m not saying you don’t know how to play him, you are just not utilizing all of his power.

@Amerika at the bottom explains it very well.

In short, phantom has a higher skill tier like vassili. It’s difficult to use him, but if you master him they can be very deadly.

I really have been thinking doing a little guide on Phantom because there are so many things he can do to just straight up poop on an enemy team.[/quote]

It doesn’t say he’s not a Recon, it just says he doesn’t have an ability that spots for him. For sure, Phantom can sht on an enemy team, but the point is that sht is very thin compared to the sodium rich sh*tstorms you can cause with other mercs.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Phantom is UP or anything, I’m just saying Phantom isn’t anything to gawk over when it comes to other mercs.

Phantom is only considered “brain dead” if you like charging into battle headfirst with Katana in hand.

(Amerika) #31

That was exactly my point @gg2ez :slight_smile:

(Telzen) #32

I own everyone except Fletcher. You mad?

I’d say to get Stoker first though.

(RyePanda) #33

Arty doesn’t deserve the amount of dislike that he gets. His low cooldown means you can bring in an artillery strike every. ten. seconds. Also, artillery strikes still gib people, so they are great for taking out people pushing the EV, defusing/planting C4, and taking out those pesky aura stations. So I’d recommend Arty but Fletcher is also a good choice.

(Dieu-Sama) #34

Methinks . . . forget about all those almost useless mercs and unlock RHINO

Rhino :3

(gg2ez) #35

[quote=“Dieu-Sama;123685”]Methinks . . . forget about all those almost useless mercs and unlock RHINO

Rhino :3[/quote]

Here we see a rare Rhinophile in his natural habitat, marvellous.

(Dieu-Sama) #36

[quote=“gg2ez;123691”][quote=“Dieu-Sama;123685”]Methinks . . . forget about all those almost useless mercs and unlock RHINO

Rhino :3[/quote]

Here we see a rare Rhinophile in his natural habitat, marvellous. [/quote]

More like something like this :wink:

(bontsa) #37

I do like though how fast “I think I wanna buy Phantom” thread turned into “Praise the endangered minigun wielding proteinshake-Peter”- thread.

(Ctrix) #38

In related news. I was on an Execution server that continued to be destroyed by this one Phantom guy so hard, people called him OP.
It was kinda scary, the guy actually disappeared infront of my eyes multiple times.

(LifeupOmega) #39

[quote=“Dieu-Sama;123685”]Methinks . . . forget about all those almost useless mercs and unlock RHINO

Rhino :3[/quote]

You said don’t unlock useless mercs but then you suggested a useless merc. You okay?

(Despaniard) #40

When I saw Phantom for the first time, I knew he would be a very strong and unbalanced mercenary. Which is why I bought him in the first place, and also the fact that I enjoy stealthing through maps. Many of you have mentioned cloaking and standing still. I can attest to the effectivenes of that strategy because even against very experienced players I have gone unscathed from a tough spot. Even though he does not have a team helping ability, he can be a very tough merc when used correctly. I know this is true because 4 of us decided to go in competitive and have a little Phantom war. The collateral was so big, all 4 of us were in the top 2 of each team.

It’s like it has been mentioned, he just has to be played well.