@sympatheticMotorcycle i have c83 it does decent in pub games imo! drilled gives you a massive advantage with KEK! and chopper + bat, yummy 
Overall KEK > hochfir in this patch, the damage output is higher so if you duel it out with another phoenix using hochfir in theory youâll come out on top.
I love hochfir but kek is better atm.
but if you plan on comp games, you need get up/ or when augments are fixed, the card with extra supplies and potent packs.
This is the one I got on my first trade-up
(p.s. how do i post a picture in forums? I use attach image/file url, but it doesnât put it)
[quote=âpeacefulGrape;79948â]This is the one I got on my first trade-up
(p.s. how do i post a picture in forums? I use attach image/file url, but it doesnât put it)[/quote]
Judging by the picture, you havenât bought him yet, still you trade up for cobalt loadout for him.
People are strange. 
To post a picture you have to press âquoteâ on a reply that has a picture in it, and the magic will be revealed.
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EDIT 2: Itâs actually 25hp for the weakest pulse and 6 seconds cooldown. I will buy KE81 and report how it works⌠I hope I wonât waste those 17k 
EDIT 3: So Iâve wasted the 17,5k⌠I want them back! ;( Potent packs donât do anything - the amount of healing is the same (25hp for the weakest pulse), as for the decreased cooldown⌠the strongest pulse takes 20 seconds to regenerate without the perk and 17 seconds with the perk⌠with the weakest pulse itâs a barely noticeable fraction of a second⌠so there you have it, KE81 officially suxâŚ[/quote]
Phoenix heal 20hp on weakest pulse? And 25hp with potent packsâŚ
No. When I tested it, the weakest pulse always healed 25hp, with or without the perk. Thatâs why I wrote that the perk is broken. With potent packs it should heal more.
[quote=âspectrrrrrre;79134â]Hmm. Guess it might have been placebo effect for me. Iâll double check when I get home.
@MissMurder can we get some confirmation if Potent Packs is not working on Phoenix?[/quote]
@spectrrrrrre has @MissMurder responded yet?
[quote=âSinsanatis;80422â][quote=âspectrrrrrre;79134â]Hmm. Guess it might have been placebo effect for me. Iâll double check when I get home.
@MissMurder can we get some confirmation if Potent Packs is not working on Phoenix?[/quote]
@spectrrrrrre has @MissMurder responded yet?[/quote]
Not that Iâve seen no
No. When I tested it, the weakest pulse always healed 25hp, with or without the perk. Thatâs why I wrote that the perk is broken. With potent packs it should heal more.[/quote]
When I tested it on very injured teammate it was 23 hp i gave him, and it is probably because I hold it for a couple of miliseconds, but yeah he was healed to somewhere about half, and it wasnât any bug⌠I would say, if you have 25 hp heal w/o potent packs, you shall be happy Also I had no problems with any of augments on PhoenixâŚ
Has anyone watched yesterdayâs DB Nation Open Cup? Casters didnât favor following Phoenix players, but on those few occasions when they did I noticed that no Phoenix was using a Hochfir card! Most of times I saw them holding Kek and I believe I saw Crotzni in one instance.
I did a bit of googling and based mainly on the reddit DB group I saw that currently recommended loadouts are:
Naturally, there are supporters and opponents of all loadouts. CR43 fans say that the âget upâ is an absolute must for a medic class. There is something to that logic, as âbest loadoutsâ for all the other medics have this perk.
Then there are C41 fans who say that if you want to play with Crotzni⌠just play Sawbonez, who has better perks in his Crotzni loadout.
I think that Phoenix loadouts are interesting because there is no absolute best one. There are âbest onesâ for particular playing styles. You want to stress aggressive gameplay more? Go with C41. You want to focus on healing? Some Hochfir loadout is probably the best for you due to its perk combination. You want a good âmiddle choiceâ? The CR43 seems to be the one to choose.
Also - how does one change their avatar on this forum? I canât find the option.
EDIT:
HA! C83 has been used competitively! [^KEK]Raider used it in yesterdayâs cup. Check out the video below and go to 45:50 where you can see him using the loadout (as proven by KEK / bat combo).
I told you it was a good loadout!
I use the Hochfir all the time on Proxy. I also use the Kek and Crotzni a lot between Sawbonez and Phantom. There is no way Iâd ever use the Hochfir when I have a choice of the other two. They are all âgoodâ but the Crotzni and Kek are definitely better choices when it comes to killing power in most situations a medic will be placed in in regards to competitive matches.
Iâm personally favoring the Crotzni setup on Phoenix due to me simply doing better with the Crotzni over what I was doing with the Kek. And having drilled is so nice as Iâm used to it on Sawbonez. The difference between the Kek and the Crotzni is pretty close even though Iâd still give the edge to the Kek despite personally liking the Crotzni slightly more. The extra 5 bullets in a mag for the Kek can be the difference between winning and losing a fight.
Honestly donât like the perks for the crotzni but itâs probably the best gun for me still out of the 3.
TBH i my self am a pretty big crotzni fan and iâve played a bit with the kek and itâs a good gun from my expirience.
But which do you think is the best weapon for Phoenix?
I was wandering when i can play online games again and i come back to DB and i buy Phoenix which weapon should i pick on him?
I was thinking imma get the C83 the 1 with the kek, sebalt and cricket bat and healing reach or one of the crotzni cards.
Which one do you guys recomend?
I was a Sawbonez main until Phoenix came out and now that I have him I canât stop using the Kek. Once I got used to how it fires it became a lazer and I havenât looked but since. I keep switching between the Kek loadout with healing reach and the loadout with Extra supplies+Quick Draw.
I use C83, but I know some people use C41 too and are happy with it. Itâs all good as long as kek is primary
Also - can somebody please write how to change the forum avatar?
@Patrol1985 You need 25 rep first. I think it was 25 rep if iâm wrong correct me. And after that just click on ur avatars face.
C83 is the loadout I liked most.
I wanted a loadout that include KEK-10 and melee isnât stilnotto stiletto.
(Canât stand the sound of that knife for some reason.)
Then I took a look at perks and noticed that C83 has this healing reach perk that gives me 15 % increase of healing radius. Pretty useful in-game, when I reach my team mates better way. Drilled isnât also a bad perk and that chopper perkâŚwell, I had a lot fun with smashing poor Rhinos with cricket bat. 