Mumble OverLay Might Be Cheating.

[pumpkinmeerkat]

A static crosshair only marks the center of your screen.

Use whatever works best for you.

[TheGreatHoundini]

[quote=“Dox;192859”]de_faq did I just read.

mumble crosshairs make you kill people faster? well I’ll be damned.

who knew a crosshair would improve your reaction time?[/quote]

It’s a bladed crosshair! Woof! woof!

[Xenithos]

k, i told my friend about mumble overlay couple days ago. He thinks its cheating cause the person can kill the person much faster or something. i want opinions of what u think about mumble overlay i used it only my sniping mostly but my accuracy is still @$!# i’m 25.6. Plus i never get an advantage using it.

Translated as: My friend was completely confused as to what I was talking about because I myself can’t speak English well enough to say it. He now falsely believes that a SCREEN OVERLAY gives some sort of HACKER-LEVEL boost to player performance by painting a small reticle. Your guys’ thoughts?
…
Gamers, I’ve talked with you in person, WTF is THIS crap!?! You can speak English perfectly well! If you were asking if you can get in trouble for using it, and whether or not it gives an advantage, then the answer to both is no. (The second may be a loose yes if you are uncomfortable with the in game given crosshairs)

Maybe he had the in game crosshair disabled and never realised you could turn it on?

Quite literally, the only explanation that makes any sense if what you said to him made sense.

This. Cool it with the disagree button people.

Amen.
@Amerika You think it’d be possible to get a confused button though ?

[Ardez1]

[quote=“Gamersallday;31252”]k, i told my friend about mumble overlay couple days ago. He thinks its cheating cause the person can kill the person much faster or something. i want opinions of what u think about mumble overlay i used it only my sniping mostly but my accuracy is still @$!# i’m 25.6. Plus i never get an advantage using it.

Translated as: My friend was completely confused as to what I was talking about because I myself can’t speak English well enough to say it. He now falsely believes that a SCREEN OVERLAY gives some sort of HACKER-LEVEL boost to player performance by painting a small reticle. Your guys’ thoughts?
…
Gamers, I’ve talked with you in person, WTF is THIS crap!?! You can speak English perfectly well! If you were asking if you can get in trouble for using it, and whether or not it gives an advantage, then the answer to both is no. (The second may be a loose yes if you are uncomfortable with the in game given crosshairs)

Maybe he had the in game crosshair disabled and never realised you could turn it on?

Quite literally, the only explanation that makes any sense if what you said to him made sense.

This. Cool it with the disagree button people.

Amen.
@Amerika You think it’d be possible to get a confused button though ?[/quote]

We considered a WTF button, but decided against it.

[RazielWarmonic]

[quote=“Xenithos;193267”][quote=“Gamersallday;31252”]k, i told my friend about mumble overlay couple days ago. He thinks its cheating cause the person can kill the person much faster or something. i want opinions of what u think about mumble overlay i used it only my sniping mostly but my accuracy is still @$!# i’m 25.6. Plus i never get an advantage using it.

Translated as: My friend was completely confused as to what I was talking about because I myself can’t speak English well enough to say it. He now falsely believes that a SCREEN OVERLAY gives some sort of HACKER-LEVEL boost to player performance by painting a small reticle. Your guys’ thoughts?
…
Gamers, I’ve talked with you in person, WTF is THIS crap!?! You can speak English perfectly well! If you were asking if you can get in trouble for using it, and whether or not it gives an advantage, then the answer to both is no. (The second may be a loose yes if you are uncomfortable with the in game given crosshairs)

Maybe he had the in game crosshair disabled and never realised you could turn it on?

Quite literally, the only explanation that makes any sense if what you said to him made sense.

This. Cool it with the disagree button people.

Amen.
@Amerika You think it’d be possible to get a confused button though ?[/quote]

We considered a WTF button, but decided against it. [/quote]

I’m up for a discussion to implement this… I’m often confused.

[N8o]

[quote=“Ardez;193359”][quote=“Xenithos;193267”][quote=“Gamersallday;31252”]k, i told my friend about mumble overlay couple days ago. He thinks its cheating cause the person can kill the person much faster or something. i want opinions of what u think about mumble overlay i used it only my sniping mostly but my accuracy is still @$!# i’m 25.6. Plus i never get an advantage using it.

Translated as: My friend was completely confused as to what I was talking about because I myself can’t speak English well enough to say it. He now falsely believes that a SCREEN OVERLAY gives some sort of HACKER-LEVEL boost to player performance by painting a small reticle. Your guys’ thoughts?
…
Gamers, I’ve talked with you in person, WTF is THIS crap!?! You can speak English perfectly well! If you were asking if you can get in trouble for using it, and whether or not it gives an advantage, then the answer to both is no. (The second may be a loose yes if you are uncomfortable with the in game given crosshairs)

Maybe he had the in game crosshair disabled and never realised you could turn it on?

Quite literally, the only explanation that makes any sense if what you said to him made sense.

This. Cool it with the disagree button people.

Amen.
@Amerika You think it’d be possible to get a confused button though ?[/quote]

We considered a WTF button, but decided against it. [/quote]

I’m up for a discussion to implement this… I’m often confused. [/quote]

I would spend more time on the forums and more money on this game if you implemented a WTF button.

[Xenithos]

[quote=“RazielWarmonic;193411”][quote=“Ardez;193359”][quote=“Xenithos;193267”][quote=“Gamersallday;31252”]k, i told my friend about mumble overlay couple days ago. He thinks its cheating cause the person can kill the person much faster or something. i want opinions of what u think about mumble overlay i used it only my sniping mostly but my accuracy is still @$!# i’m 25.6. Plus i never get an advantage using it.

Translated as: My friend was completely confused as to what I was talking about because I myself can’t speak English well enough to say it. He now falsely believes that a SCREEN OVERLAY gives some sort of HACKER-LEVEL boost to player performance by painting a small reticle. Your guys’ thoughts?
…
Gamers, I’ve talked with you in person, WTF is THIS crap!?! You can speak English perfectly well! If you were asking if you can get in trouble for using it, and whether or not it gives an advantage, then the answer to both is no. (The second may be a loose yes if you are uncomfortable with the in game given crosshairs)

Maybe he had the in game crosshair disabled and never realised you could turn it on?

Quite literally, the only explanation that makes any sense if what you said to him made sense.

This. Cool it with the disagree button people.

Amen.
@Amerika You think it’d be possible to get a confused button though ?[/quote]

We considered a WTF button, but decided against it. [/quote]

I’m up for a discussion to implement this… I’m often confused. [/quote]

I would spend more time on the forums and more money on this game if you implemented a WTF button.[/quote]

N80 approves! It MUST be done!

[BerylRdm]

But why have a disagree button then in the first place if you aren’t supposed to use it?

Disagree button is fine when you actually disagree with somebody’s OPINION, but some people seem to do not know what’s the difference between disagree and dislike, really. Sometimes I see situations like:

XxxProSniperxxX wrote:
I like chocolate.
10 people disagree.

Wtf people?

[Ardez1]

[quote=“Beryl;193451”]

But why have a disagree button then in the first place if you aren’t supposed to use it?

Disagree button is fine when you actually disagree with somebody’s OPINION, but some people seem to do not know what’s the difference between disagree and dislike, really. Sometimes I see situations like:

XxxProSniperxxX wrote:
I like chocolate.
10 people disagree.

Wtf people?[/quote]

I think the biggest point of confusion on this for me is that anybody who disagrees with the OP thinks that using a mumble overlay is cheating. You could do the same thing by putting a dot on the center of a screen protector or a little tape. People used to do it all the time for hardcore game modes way back when.

[TheGreatHoundini]

[quote=“Beryl;193451”]

But why have a disagree button then in the first place if you aren’t supposed to use it?

Disagree button is fine when you actually disagree with somebody’s OPINION, but some people seem to do not know what’s the difference between disagree and dislike, really. Sometimes I see situations like:

XxxProSniperxxX wrote:
I like chocolate.
10 people disagree.

Wtf people?[/quote]

Because everybody knows XxxProSniperxxX actually likes strawberry?

[K1X455]

Slightly off topic but along these lines of custom thingys(left of center, I think…), more possibly a WTFable post,

If I had a latency of 12~24ms and is “causing” issues, and a viable solution is to reduce latency to about 47~59ms (or more) by throttling the in-game bandwidth, is it cheating?

[UndeddJester]

Well cheating is defined as “acting dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.”.

In this case of mumble it depends on your point of view.

1. You could say that the game gives you a crosshair anyway, the overlay merely allows you to use a crosshair you prefer. Therefore you are not gaining an advantage, it is personal preference.

2. The alternative is to say the game provides a crosshair already, players should not be using 3rd party programs to modify their crosshair, as an overlay isn’t subject to in game features such as visual recoil and such (as an exmaple when in ADS where you are expected to transition to using the ironsights instead of merely carrying on using the crosshair).

Personally, I’m a purest, I take the stance that using the in game crosshair and iron sights usually are in keeping with the the asthetic of the game, and that helps keeps me immersed (As opposed to an obnoxious dot in the middle of my screen that sticks out like crazy).

It doesn’t bother me that people use mumble overlay in a game like Dirty Bomb, as the advantage is very minimal, and only really matters in the absolute highest ends of gameplay where that 0.05 seconds refocusing a iron sight from the crosshair may mean life or death.

In games like Counter Strike however (when it was good) since the crosshair expanded as you moved and fired, I probably would be more harsh on it, and leaning towards an overlay being cheating… but in the same breathe what can you do about it? A guy can always stick a red dot on his monitor if he wants to.

It’s one of those things that isn’t really worth worrying about as opposed to genuine hackers.

[Ardez1]

[quote=“FatalJ;193876”]
In games like Counter Strike however (when it was good) since the crosshair expanded as you moved and fired, I probably would be more harsh on it, and leaning towards an overlay being cheating… but in the same breathe what can you do about it? A guy can always stick a red dot on his monitor if he wants to.[/quote]

You can disable crosshair bloom in CS:GO as well as many other games to prevent it from growing larger as you fire or as your accuracy changes with jumping/flinching.

[SnakekillerX]

Think about it this way… without mumble crosshair you have no crosshair on some weapons when iron sighting. With mumble crosshair, you do.

Advantage mumble crosshair user.

Sure, it isn’t much of an advantage, but if it helps you aim more accurately because of it then it can still feel cheaty.

I personally don’t care one way or another, however if it were an intended feature (if they do indeed support this) then they should provide the same option in game so that everyone can make use of it, instead of just people who download a 3rd party tool.

[UndeddJester]

You can disable crosshair bloom in CS:GO as well as many other games to prevent it from growing larger as you fire or as your accuracy changes with jumping/flinching.

I was wondering if anyone was gonna pick me up on that, indeed that is a fair shout

It was the best example I had at the time, the only possible thing to add being that you never had a dot crosshair in CSS (to my knowledge anyway), you always have to make do with a small gap in your reticule.

[Szakalot]

[quote=“Ardez;193892”]You can disable crosshair bloom in CS:GO as well as many other games to prevent it from growing larger as you fire or as your accuracy changes with jumping/flinching.

I was wondering if anyone was gonna pick me up on that, indeed that is a fair shout

It was the best example I had at the time, the only possible thing to add being that you never had a dot crosshair in CSS (to my knowledge anyway), you always have to make do with a small gap in your reticule.
[/quote]

sorry, thats not true either. You can have a dot right in the middle, and nothing else. CSGO crosshair is very customizable

[Szakalot]

[quote=“K1X455;193526”]Slightly off topic but along these lines of custom thingys(left of center, I think…), more possibly a WTFable post,

If I had a latency of 12~24ms and is “causing” issues, and a viable solution is to reduce latency to about 47~59ms (or more) by throttling the in-game bandwidth, is it cheating?[/quote]

what issues is having 12-24ms latency causing?

Viable solution is to increase latency, you mean? In my mind, as long as its not an on/off switch (e.g. you would increase your latency artificially before executing a flank, in order to score more free hits), fine by me. But obviously a gray area, and not okay in tournament play.

[K1X455]

@Szakalot I’m actually still investigating what’s causing “missed frames” and I think the GPU doesn’t have enough memory to handle heated firefights. I tried on several platforms and a latency of about 45~60ms is so far ideal.

[Nail]

[quote=“K1X455;193526”]Slightly off topic but along these lines of custom thingys(left of center, I think…), more possibly a WTFable post,

If I had a latency of 12~24ms and is “causing” issues, and a viable solution is to reduce latency to about 47~59ms (or more) by throttling the in-game bandwidth, is it cheating?[/quote]

yes, it’s considered cheating in this game

[UndeddJester]

[quote=“FatalJ;193985”][quote=“Ardez;193892”]You can disable crosshair bloom in CS:GO as well as many other games to prevent it from growing larger as you fire or as your accuracy changes with jumping/flinching.

I was wondering if anyone was gonna pick me up on that, indeed that is a fair shout

It was the best example I had at the time, the only possible thing to add being that you never had a dot crosshair in CSS (to my knowledge anyway), you always have to make do with a small gap in your reticule.
[/quote]

sorry, thats not true either. You can have a dot right in the middle, and nothing else. CSGO crosshair is very customizable[/quote]

Notice I’m saying CSS, not CSGO

Now you may be able to get a dot in CSS, I didn’t know of a way myself, but if there was one it would have taken a fairly solid knowledge of the command console to achieve.