Hello Phantom!

[stealthyBass]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;36509”]Right off the bat, I can see him being very balanced but it depends on the following

1. How visible is he exactly?
2. How much damage is reduced when you’re hit while cloaked?
3. Does he really need 120 health? I mean the cloak itself shaves off a lot of damage so…
4. I feel like maybe he’s going to be most tweaked nerf in the coming months, constant changes to fine tune him perfectly.

Doe I feel he’ll be op? No, but I do think there needs to be fair amount of usefulness and counter play, only time will tell.[/quote]

Seems decently noticeable from the video when he’s running. But you’ll still get people yelling about it because they were unobservant.

[MissMurder1]

Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.

[Fuze]

[quote=“BlackFro;36508”]Can somebody confirm these four questions?

1. How many hitpoints does his shield have
2. Since the sniper headshot bullets do 150 and 158 damage, will he survive if he is shot in the head with his cloak on?
3. Will stabbing someone in the back with his blade instantly kill someone?
4. Did you add his quote: “Trick or treat motherfucker!” from the trailer?[/quote]

None of us would know. His shield didn’t exist in closed beta and back stabbing isn’t in this game, sooo…

[umberInlet]

[quote=“BlackFro;36508”]Can somebody confirm these four questions?

1. How many hitpoints does his shield have

2. Since the sniper headshot bullets do 150 and 158 damage, will he survive if he is shot in the head with his cloak on?

3. Will stabbing someone in the back with his blade instantly kill someone?

4. Did you add his quote: “Trick or treat motherfucker!” from the trailer?[/quote]

5. Unknown atm.

6. He might possibly be able to survive a headshot while cloaked, as mentioned in the video.

7. I doubt he has the 1-hit ability like the Spy in TF2, though he probably deals enough damage to take out a Fragger in one hit, and probably Thunder to (when he’s released). NOTE: This is just an assumption.

8. Oh god I want that!

[Abal]

[quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
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Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90

[stealthyBass]

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
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Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.

[einstyle]

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
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Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

yeah, let’s come up with some random arbitrary numbers before even playing him

[babyblueFist]

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
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Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Let’s not rush things through yet…

[cornJester]

@MissMurder At :42-:43 seconds in the video is shows some of his loadout cards and only one of those is shown to have the katana, the other two have the stiletto and combat knife… Is it true that not all of his loadouts have the katana? How do the others compare in damage?

[Abal]

[quote=“Abal;36520”][quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.[/quote]

I dont want the game to end up like Tribes Ascend Phantom seems kinda OP and maybe some health nerfs before he is released is needed.

[cornJester]

[quote=“stealthyBass;36523”][quote=“Abal;36520”][quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.[/quote]

I dont want the game to end up like Tribes Ascend Phantom seems kinda OP and maybe some health nerfs before he is released is needed.[/quote]

Just wait and see how he plays out before making assumptions… If he is truly OP he will be nerfed soon. You cannot know what he needs til he is out in the wild because all you have right now is speculation.

[Reddeadcap]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;36509”]Right off the bat, I can see him being very balanced but it depends on the following

1. How visible is he exactly?
2. How much damage is reduced when you’re hit while cloaked?
3. Does he really need 120 health? I mean the cloak itself shaves off a lot of damage so…
4. I feel like maybe he’s going to be most tweaked nerf in the coming months, constant changes to fine tune him perfectly.

Do I feel he’ll be op? No, but I do think there needs to be fair amount of usefulness and counter play, only time will tell.[/quote]

1) About 90% they said, he looks like a cloudy silhouette

2. It does drain while cloaked, at a fast rate when moving apparently, that + taking damage will shred it if used unwisely, theres also an augmentation That increases his and Redeye’s ability by 40%, if you look closely at the clip sprinting towards the generator in Terminal and then the one where they discuss its ability to shield incoming damage (when being shot by a Rhino) you can see that the cloak was draining at a much slower rate since he was moving while crouched.

3. Meh, 120 is a decent middle ground, he and Redeye are at the same health, making them on par with Skyhammer, Arty and Stoker, I think Nader should be at 120 health at it seems to be the middle ground imho.

4. I’m not a fan of him but I find him alright.

[fubar1]

[quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
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He’s got the best SMG in the game, which is already widely considered OP in the competitive scene, and he’s got 120hp + a MASSIVE shield that essentially makes him tankier than fragger himself. Yeah, I see no issue with that.

[ThatRandomGuy]

OH MY GOD !!! I JUST BOUGHT A GODDAMN MERC THAT I CANT USE FOR CRAP and THIS COMES OUT…

Back to farming… 3 days 50k… ~.~

[MissMurder1]

@cornJester It’s true that not all of his loadout cards have the katana.

[umberInlet]

[quote=“stealthyBass;36523”][quote=“Abal;36520”][quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.[/quote]

I dont want the game to end up like Tribes Ascend Phantom seems kinda OP and maybe some health nerfs before he is released is needed.[/quote]

Everyone is OP (besides Arty). That’s what makes him balanced.

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

He’s got the best SMG in the game, which is already widely considered OP in the competitive scene, and he’s got 120hp + a MASSIVE shield that essentially makes him tankier than fragger himself. Yeah, I see no issue with that. [/quote]

sees weird **** in the air and fires at it
Phantom is forced to de-cloak, losing his damage mitigation instantly
loads up pieces of lead into his head

He’ll really only be good if he gets the jump on you (which he’s suppose to do). But, in a 1v1 head-on match, he’s pretty much like Sawbonez without medpacks. Of course, we won’t know how strong he is until we get him.

@cornJester It’s true that not all of his loadout cards have the katana.

So players would either play him as an Recon Scout, or the Spy from TF2.

[fubar1]

[quote=“Abal;36547”][quote=“stealthyBass;36523”][quote=“Abal;36520”][quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.[/quote]

I dont want the game to end up like Tribes Ascend Phantom seems kinda OP and maybe some health nerfs before he is released is needed.[/quote]

Everyone is OP (besides Arty). That’s what makes him balanced.

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

He’s got the best SMG in the game, which is already widely considered OP in the competitive scene, and he’s got 120hp + a MASSIVE shield that essentially makes him tankier than fragger himself. Yeah, I see no issue with that. [/quote]

sees weird **** in the air and fires at it
Phantom is forced to de-cloak, losing his damage mitigation instantly
loads up pieces of lead into his head

He’ll really only be good if he gets the jump on you (which he’s suppose to do). But, in a 1v1 head-on match, he’s pretty much like Sawbonez without medpacks. Of course, we won’t know how strong he is until we get him.

@cornJester It’s true that not all of his loadout cards have the katana.

So players would either play him as an Recon Scout, or the Spy from TF2.[/quote]

That’s where you’re wrong. The way I see him used is primarily as an additional damage dealer, with his ability being used as a shield rather than “cloak”. (Which, will still be applicable depending on the situation).

How much of a “shield” that really is, we’ll have to figure out later, but the plain fact that he has one and already has more health than majority of classes in this game? Alongside the best SMG? Silly.

[watsyurdeal]

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.

Can’t see any reason why not since his ability shields him as well. Though personally I think damage reduction rather than completely shielding him from damage should also be looked at.

[einstyle]

@cornJester It’s true that not all of his loadout cards have the katana.

do other mercs have access to cards with the katana though?

[umberInlet]

[quote=“umberInlet;36563”][quote=“Abal;36547”][quote=“stealthyBass;36523”][quote=“Abal;36520”][quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

Take out 20HP and just make 100 or even 90[/quote]

Wait until you’ve played him before suggesting nerfs man.[/quote]

I dont want the game to end up like Tribes Ascend Phantom seems kinda OP and maybe some health nerfs before he is released is needed.[/quote]

Everyone is OP (besides Arty). That’s what makes him balanced.

[quote=“MissMurder;36514”][quote=“strawberryJacket;36485”]Looks OP, will he happen this week @MissMurder ?

I did a playtest with him recently and while getting snuck up on is NOT fun at all… I wouldn’t say he is super OP but I think maybe it would be more balanced if we reduce his HP a bit. So let us know what you guys think of him. We are looking to get him out this week so fingers crossed on that. I’ll let you know as soon as I know an exact ETA.
[/quote]

He’s got the best SMG in the game, which is already widely considered OP in the competitive scene, and he’s got 120hp + a MASSIVE shield that essentially makes him tankier than fragger himself. Yeah, I see no issue with that. [/quote]

sees weird **** in the air and fires at it
Phantom is forced to de-cloak, losing his damage mitigation instantly
loads up pieces of lead into his head

He’ll really only be good if he gets the jump on you (which he’s suppose to do). But, in a 1v1 head-on match, he’s pretty much like Sawbonez without medpacks. Of course, we won’t know how strong he is until we get him.

@cornJester It’s true that not all of his loadout cards have the katana.

So players would either play him as an Recon Scout, or the Spy from TF2.[/quote]

That’s where you’re wrong. The way I see him used is primarily as an additional damage dealer, with his ability being used as a shield rather than “cloak”. (Which, will still be applicable depending on the situation).

How much of a “shield” that really is, we’ll have to figure out later, but the plain fact that he has one and already has more health than majority of classes in this game? Alongside the best SMG? Silly. [/quote]

Again, the shield cloak doesn’t matter in the middle of a firefight, as it will deactivate once Phantom starts an attack. It’s only useful while you’re not shooting someone, and you can still be seen cloaked if you are moving, so it’ll be difficult to use head-on also. You won’t be able to play him as a bruiser.