Best medic fix.


(subtleLemon) #21

I don’t agree about Fragger being king, Nader is definetly queen, but he still gets outclassed. I just do not see him getting played over her, for explosives, or getting played over Rhino for his lmg. Your statement of “if you get good” is the exact point I’m making, for him to be effective it takes more work which makes him not as good. This is a discussion for medics so that’s all I’ll say about that.

As for medics with a team with the others could maybe do well and thats a big maybe the ease of which the other team can dominant still makes it an issue. In a competitive match with good teamwork sure a balanced comp will be better, due to the nature of the match, however in pubs a medic spam team always wins hands down.


(Gi.Am) #22

Ah I see, what you are describing is Merc stacking this is a known problem in pups and relates to every merc not only medics. Which you can see by the mirads of treads that complain about bushwhacker turret to strong (when there are 8), Skyhammer airstrike to strong (when there are 8), rhino minigun to strong (when there are 8), Naders grenadelauncher to strong (when there are 8), Artys Artillery to strong ( :wink: ).

The thing is this is simply a problem of people not knowing how to counter them.

Lets take your Uber team composition. While it might have the advantage of being unusual it is a bad one. You are stacking 3 fast squishies on top of each other and complement them with the slowest guy in the game. He will either be lagging behind all the time, or your team has to wait for him, negating your speed advantage. 3 of your team are best in stationary close combat while one sucks at it (Sparks). Also you got no engineer so repairs/plants/defuse will take twice as long (and you effectively loose a medic since he has to do that job).

Your big advantage is being able to revive people. However several abilities will deny that (Fraggers Grenade, every Firesupport AOE abillity, Vassili Headshots), Nader while not able to gibb (Martyrdom aside) can easily one shot the 3 squishies, take out the healingstation, and kill or soften up the Rhino leaving you with a Nader against a complete Team.
The second you lose the capapility to revive, either because all medics in range are dead or everyone that could be revived is gibbed you lose.

You brought only one abillity to the battle while the other team has brought, revive, the abillity to insta gibb several without a fight (there is a reason why competition only allows one fragger per team), survivability, firepower and most important the ability to clear every objective twice as fast. And thats the problem with every stacked Merc situation. Sure they are annoying and need specific tactics to overcome (which is hard to pull of in casual games, but thats a lack of communication) but a balanced team will always have all tools to overcome a stacked team.

No need to nerf medics over this.


(Jojack) #23

[quote=“subtleLemon;33461”]I don’t agree about Fragger being king, Nader is definetly queen, but he still gets outclassed. I just do not see him getting played over her, for explosives, or getting played over Rhino for his lmg. Your statement of “if you get good” is the exact point I’m making, for him to be effective it takes more work which makes him not as good. This is a discussion for medics so that’s all I’ll say about that.

As for medics with a team with the others could maybe do well and thats a big maybe the ease of which the other team can dominant still makes it an issue. In a competitive match with good teamwork sure a balanced comp will be better, due to the nature of the match, however in pubs a medic spam team always wins hands down. [/quote]

How long have you been playing? In your post you seem to think Aura is the best medic and that Nader and Rhino are better than Fragger. Most people that have played over a week understand that Sawbonez outclasses Aura by a large margin and that Fragger is hands down, the best merc in the game. No single merc comes close. Rhino wrecks newbs but that’s all he’s good for. Nader is a ton of fun but not nearly as good as Fragger.

I suggest you play the game a bit longer and actually play as some of these mercs before jumping into balancing discussions.


(metallicCandle) #24

https://youtu.be/C2FvQ1mNDlg thought I was watching aura…


(metallicCandle) #25

edit to remove 4yr olds pounding on kb