Is this cheating?


#8

As anyone who has played against me might know, I’m not a “Top 500” player - far from it. I like to think that as a gamer, my aim is above average, but I’m not quick enough to dominate Vassili (or main Widowmaker if that’s your game).

Personally, I do find value out of using ADS (weirdly, I have it set to “Toggle” in most games, but you should ask me about my non-standard keyboard mapping at another time) for medium-to-long ranged encounters, but only if I’m not taking damage, or if I think I can win the 1v1 versus a ranged opponent. In close-quarters fights, you’ll need the faster move speed over the tighter bullet spread.

Nope. You’re not making any modifications to game memory or game code, so you should be fine.


(Meetrock) #9

I don’t see it as cheating, but more like having an extra advantage over some other players who can’t bind both fire and ADS to the same button. But, you shouldn’t do so, some situation requires you to use ADS, I agree, but most of the time, you’re better off without it. I’ve been playing DB for a year now, and I rarely use ADS. Also keep in mind that some weapons (like SMG), are much much better without ADS, and some others (like the AK) are better with ADS. So just practice more with using mouse1 and mouse2.


(D'@athi) #10

So no bots and wh’s? Only Lagging through scripts, no-recoil-scripts, and hardwarestuff like a phisical lagswitch or some extra hw-client playing with your network-data? Ohh ok. That’s no stuff anybody would use for cheating.


(DarkangelUK) #11

What does that even mean? He asked if binding two actions to one mouse button would be considered cheating, was told no.


#12

Dirty Bomb uses Dedicated Servers. There’s no benefit to be had by manipulating your own network traffic in a way that would only be putting yourself at a disadvantage.


(Mc1412013) #13

Nope i use my logitec software to bind long jump to my mouse scroll wheel right click


(bgyoshi) #14

This was a response to Maisy, who made it seem like any change that isn’t a game code change isn’t cheating, and then listed a bunch of very cheaty non-code changes people do, and listed them in an obviously facetious manner likely to get a chortle out of readers.

It was not a response to the OP


(Press E) #15

Have you ever played with lag? If anything it’s a handicap. Sure you might managed to avoid 1 or 2 shots that would have hit you otherwise, but doing literally anything while laggy in DB is horrible. Your shots don’t register, you get hit behind cover, everything rubberbands around including you, and if you keep going you run into even better issues like not being able to reload or switch weapons.

Also a reload script seems pointless in this game, since most weapons barely have any recoil whatsoever


(DarkangelUK) #16

Maisy responded directly to the OP’s question so I don’t see how that leap was made.


(D'@athi) #17

Dunno, in my opinion, the “rule” “no changes to memory or engine” did sound kinda naiv, at first, as the stuff I put down is quite some real and annoying problem in other games.
But as DB is using dedicated servers, I guess I will be able to sleep peacefully, again.
Thx.


(bgyoshi) #18

… what?

Uh… let’s break it down for you I guess?

This implies anything that doesn’t modify game memory or code is not considered cheating

These modify game memory or code, making them cheating by Maisy’s implication

None of these require modifications to the game memory or code, implying they aren’t cheating. But they’re considered cheating in pretty much all other 1st person shooters.

The leap is… very small to connect these dots.


(DarkangelUK) #19

That’s a leap, to me it doesn’t mean that ANYTHING that doesn’t do that isnt considered cheating, it means that the OP outlined exactly what they were doing and the reply was completely given with that context in mind. OP asked if using 2 binds on one button via software is cheating, answer given in context, the context being that the software doesnt modify game memory or code to achieve its goal so it would be flagged by EAC. If OP said “can I use lagswitch/wallhack/insert shitty mechanic here” then Im sure the answer IN CONTEXT would be ‘no that’s considered cheating’.

Basically saying that this specific action that doesn’t modify the memory or code isn’t cheating isn’t the same as saying EVERY action that doesnt modify the memory or code isn’t cheating… context is very very important.


(bgyoshi) #21

Please point out this context as my own search for the word “EAC” returns the word “peacefully” and your post. No one here has mentioned EAC, regarded EAC, or otherwise made it a consideration. The context here is “Is binding these two keys considered cheating?” The answer is “No.” and the reasoning is “You’re not making any modifications to game memory or game code.” That’s the context. That reasoning implicates that anything which doesn’t meet that criteria is not cheating.

EAC is an extrapolation implicated but not stated by the question… just like this “leap” that’s confused you.

im·pli·cate
/ˈimpləˌkāt/
verb

  1. convey (a meaning or intention) indirectly through what one says, rather than stating it explicitly; imply.

(DarkangelUK) #22

Its been pointed out, if you’re not going to grasp it now then i dont think you will. Clearly this isn’t going anywhere so you do you and i’ll do me, the outcome is the same regardless :slight_smile:


(bgyoshi) #23

…what the… no it hasn’t EAC was literally never pointed out until you did it lmao damn

You keep making stuff up and I’ll keep reading what’s actually posted, I agree. The outcome is the same


(DarkangelUK) #24

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I can’t believe i need to explain this, but that answer relates directly to OP’s question… that’s called “context” just let it sink in then realise that the answer given in the context of OP’s question doesnt somehow magically make hacks, bots, scripts ok…

and yes EAC detects modifications to game memory or code, hence “should be fine”


(bgyoshi) #25

This is a literally dumb argument.

Maisy never mentioned EAC. Yes, the way that EAC functions was mentioned, but the OP never spelled the acronym “EAC”, never asked about “the automatic anti cheating system”, and Maisy never mentioned it.

That’s not called “context”, that’s called “implication”, as I’ve said a million times. You’re extrapolating an indirect subject from a direct statement. The “context” of the post, the framework of it from the start, was about something that might be considered cheating. Not something that the automatic anti cheating system would detect, not something about how EAC works and how it pertains to this post, not something about what EAC considers cheating or not.

OP: “Is this considered cheating.”
Maisy: “No, for these reasons.”
Another person: “For those reasons? Those reasons make these other definitely cheaty things not be cheating, though.”
You: “I’m confused how did you jump like that??? We’re talking about EAC???”

Just stop my man, you’re being silly and intentionally obtuse now.


(DarkangelUK) #26

Your last broken down ‘conversation’ is the literal embodiment if my point… CONTEXT! No those other things not doing that doesn’t make them not cheaty because of context! How is this difficult to understand for you? You literally spelled out your own lack of thinking and still missed it, are you playing a joke on me right now? This is getting ridiculous. To reiterate because apparently the point is completely lost on you… the reply DIRECTLY TO OP’S QUESTION AND SCENARIO doesn’t automatically apply to every other suspect action that fits into the pigeon holes create in the original post, it was a direct response to the OP’s specific scenario and question, ergo, A CONTEXTUAL REPLY. You’re doing some magical mental gymnastics to make it apply to everything.


#27

I think this topic has probably run its course. I never for a moment considered that the meaning behind my words would evolve into a philosophical debate.

Maisy’s Non-Exhaustive Definition of Cheating:

Making unauthorised modifications to the game files or game memory space, or using unauthorised tools to obtain an unfair advantage in an online shooter.

If you’re worried whether Easy Anti Cheat might ban you for using something, then it’s probably not worth the risk. If it’s some software that came with your keyboard, it’s probably alright, but check with EAC support just in case.

Not sure how much clearer I can make it, really. :confused:


#28